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Is Lennon still an icon to the young?
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I was asked this QUESTION today and couldn't really make my mind up to some extend I agree but the world moves on know what I mean?
I'd love to know peoples thoughts :thumb:
I'd love to know peoples thoughts :thumb:
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Imagine was actually a solo effort by John, I never got the beatles, they're made out to be Gods but they aint that good.
Yea he was hippy and all that but I just found him not to be too endearing.
I like Strawberry Fields a lot and some of their psychedelic stuff (lucy in the sky with diamonds is an excellent one for tripping) but you're right, they're nothing to wank about.
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You might be interested to see the result of our poll from December (It's second from the bottom)
Cheers never spotted that :thumb:
but ...at the time it was new and very uplifting for me as a ten year old.
little kids and grannies alike all got hooked on the simple lyrics and great new pop sound.
and it was new.
very clever engineering and synthesis by george martin ...80 today.
the public had never heard of synthesisers ...but george put some very clever stuff in their ...the finnished sound ...the production ...was new to the ears.
as a pop band their stuff still stands up.
very creative and talented bunch of scousers ...now THATS rare!
...all we are saying is give peace a chance ...
that tells you how big an effect they had.
the times ...the fifties were a time of recovering from shortages ...the world was war weary and grey.
radio one hadn't been invented.
to listen to dylan and even british pop and rock bands ...you had to tune into crackly pirate stations ...in mono ...cos stereo didn't exist.
all of a sudden everything went plentiful and multicoloured.
the beatles appealed to more or less the entire population of the planet!
i don't listen to them much but ...the white album shows their many and varied talents.
the sounds on this album were quite outragous at the time and i suspect their are few bands who would attempt such variety of styles on one album today.
outragous cos ...they broke all the rules ...from jazz to rock to ballads to hillbilly to nineteen twenties swing ...all on one album ...and remember ...they wrote the music ...they wrote the lyrics ...and they played them.
they were without a doubt very talented.
but ...it became almost impossible to play live ...cos of the genious engineer in the backgrond ...george martin ...eighty years old today.
It's the chord changes. They went from Chuck Berry-esque three chord turn arounds to b5 substitutions, harmonised scales, major to minor jumps, they took jazz progressions and married them to cheery pop. This was wild stuff and broke boundaries.
Most if not all songwriters have pinched Beatle's chord progressions.
"Their chords were outrageous......simply outrageous. I knew they were pointing the direction music had to go. In my head, The Beatles were it." - Bob Dylan.
then ...it was wow!
I can imagine. Jesus, they were inventing it all as they went along. Stuff like Eric Clapton's solo on While my Guitar Gently Weeps. First proper use of flanging.
But they sound so.......under powered now. I mean, if you compare it to Are You Experienced, Disraeli Gears and Truth by the Jeff Beck group, they were released the year before (I think) and still sound good. It's a shame.
ahhh just so obviously a geetar man ...it's predud pred ...4 cans later i cant spell the word ...it's clouding your vir=ew ...cos your soul is searching out those geetar vibes! :thumb:
You got me
I really want to like the Beatles because the music is so strong but the records annoy me. I love hearing Beatles songs covered, I just can't listen to the originals.
The music isn't dated if you listen to it for what it is. Great pop. And with the White Album they proved just how varied their talents were, and Sgt Pepper's was revolutionary when it came out.
The only Beatles cover better than the original is Joe Cocker's version of With A Little Help From My Friends.
I think Lennon's message is still what it's all about, but his memory has become that of a tired old hippy. It's a shame.
I blame Yoko Ono, the second he was dead she flogged the family silver, and is still cashing in on him now. His music, owned by Michael Jackson. The stories he wrote, all owned by a baby food conglomerate. She has single-handedly destroyed his name.
See, I think that's the single worst cover version ever. Except Celine Dion destroying AC/DC's Shook Me All Night Long, naturally. But then, I just don't like Joe Cocker.......
I have stunning bootlegs of Gov't Mule covering Helter Skelter and She Said, She Said. I have one of Paul Gilbert and Shawn Lane covering Let it Be, which is just incredible.
Horses for courses.
Wasn't he a Buddhist? Or took his inspiration from there.
The lyrics "jai guru dev(a) om" are Sanskrit and hints towards an Eastern religion. Imagine also sounds very Buddhist.
To me what Lennon was about was creating activism with art... It's a shame he never changed the world.