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If a couple were expecting a kid and the mother wanted an abortion
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and the father didn't, does the woman have to listen? it is her body after all
or the reverse situation, don't matter either way
then...
if you think the woman has the most important say as it's her body with the developing embryo and shes physically responsible for carrying it, then surely you must agree that the issue of contraception or lack of, is mainly her responsibility in deciding on the basis of risks, or don't you agree?
someone just asked me this, and with that line of logic you have to agree - damn i hate logic arguments (personally i always wear protection and we go double dutch with the pill so don't matter)
or the reverse situation, don't matter either way
then...
if you think the woman has the most important say as it's her body with the developing embryo and shes physically responsible for carrying it, then surely you must agree that the issue of contraception or lack of, is mainly her responsibility in deciding on the basis of risks, or don't you agree?
someone just asked me this, and with that line of logic you have to agree - damn i hate logic arguments (personally i always wear protection and we go double dutch with the pill so don't matter)
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Until the child can live on it's own, it's just more cells that the mother has grown. Once it can, it's an individual. I think the current rules have it about right, tbh.
On the contraception thing. I am male. I can shag someone and get them pregnant and then walk out the door never to be seen again. A single successful sexual act for a woman can take 18 years to finish. Explain's a lot about the differences between the sexes I think.
not an abortion debate btw
If its not an abortion debate - why use the word abortion in the title?
She can listen, but the final decision lies with her. If a man can be pregnant and carry that pregnancy to term, then obviously, it would be his decision, but so long as the zygote/embryo/foetus is in her body, then any decision lies with her, and she doesn't even have to be under any obligation to inform him.
To give a man, or woman, control of that woman's body is not equality, despite the genetic balance regarding the z/e/f. There's way too much of a grey area to even think about giving legal notification to partners. It's bad enough some parents want that for their children.
Some people will argue that it's not fair because the man will then have no choice if he's chained to the CSA etc, but no one said that part was fair. It's the woman's decision, it's her body. Up to her whether she gestates or terminates. I've seen too many abusive realtionships where she's coerced into keeping it or aborting and it's utterly repulsive and very sad.
I'm waiting for Aborted Slippy to make some irrational comment about it being the fault of all the feminazis. Come to go_away darling, there's a cannula with your name on it
get attention and it's part of the scenario
this is more of a debate than politics imo
Huh?
In some countries where it's illegal, yes, the women do take it upon themselves to do a bit of DIY. Even in countries where it's legal, some prefer to go via the pennyroyal tea/vitamin C route.
I doubt that was your point, so if you wouldn't mind being clearer.
No, really I didn't. It's not something that interests me, as a rule. I agree it's the woman's choice, along the lines as already stated.
The woman is the person who has to go through childbirth, it is her choice whether she does or not. If the man wants to keep it then tough shit; if he doesn't, and gets tied to the CSA, then them's the risks.
i bet they exist in america
Haha. Could you imagine that?
Signed by no less that 3 independent witnesses...
Oh, and it's the woman's choice whether or not she has a kid or aborts.
Just use protection to avoid any side effects.
There have been some cases in the UK where the partners have tried to stop their girlfriends from having an abortion. All failed in court. One guy appeared on a daytime TV show surprised (!) that the relationship broke down after that, and had requested the foetal remains. Doubt he got them as they're taken for cremation pretty quickly, and would require the woman's consent for keeping them.
There was a private members bill recently proposing abortion only in circumstances of rape and incest, not to mention jailing doctors for life. I think it was Laurence Robertson who proposed it.
But not with this: The DNA proves differently. I just like calling things by their name.
the question was, if the woman has the final say, then surely contraception is in mainly her responsbility
least someone answered
personally i don't like to risk it, however some guys i know who follow that line of thoguht, might be a bit silly in taking risks, but their principles are fine (if that makes sense)
After conception its "out of his hands" so to speak...
Oh dear, please tell me why it is HER responsibility ?
so you wanna quick shag and you'll be ok cos she will have made sure she's taken her pill...........nah it does not work that way.
You don't get AIDs from dirty toilet seats ya know.
That's exactly it.
Though I would say that it is the woman's responsibility to make sure she does not have sex without protection, simply because she is taking the bigger risk of STDs. The biggest risk group from AIDS is straight women who don't protect themselves.
The same would apply for the man, of course. He is at risk of disease if he doesn't use protection, and he is at risk he might have a little bundle of joy to empty his wallet if he doesn't use a condom.
It's all about protecting yourself. Neither partner should have sex without taking precautions. They should also not have sex without realising that, hey, sex has risks.
JimV makes the accurate point that most children are born in stable loving relationships, and are planned and wanted.