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Can we ever give tooo much aid, or are we tight with our generosity??
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i dont know, but to me it seems like england is tight, also america and germany, the best economies but a freind told me america first sent approx 60,000 grand to Pakistan, which if anyone else can vouch is an outrage!!
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Also, we never give enough - but that isn't economically sensible in a capitalist world - why should I give? It is my money, and it buys me luxuries. Fuck everyone else.
Really, the modern society is terrible, greed-based thing. We should help these people more - as should our Governemnts. But the US can't even help its OWN people in a time of crises.
why?
surely man longs for peace and security ...so is there something wrong with the actual people who make the decisions?
she gives me the dirtiest, low life look iv ever gotten, and just looks away, i couldnt help myself so i fuking went crazy, feeling like an idiot she ran away, but the excuse she later gave me WAS: 'i dont wanna give anything, why should i, its my money', ahhhhhhh, this girl not only works in her fathers long line of business's, but the amount of shops they have, raking in profits, which iv also added toooo, i couldnt belive my ears when she came out with that.
i saw teachers hidding from me tooo, running away, saying they dont have any change, AT THE CANTEEEN, 'do i look stupid, was that not a 20p coin i saw'?
i know its the decision of the person but there are alot of cheap, tight people in this country!!
The Rich like to be Rich. Well, we ALL like having money. It is the only thing that lets us exist in this world. The more we have, the more powerful we are. Why should she care about someone abroad who is dieing? She's fine, afterall.
Nice sweeping generalisation.
At times on this board it seems the rich and Christians are made about to be the most unpleasant people in the world – forget criminals and terrorists. Although neither I don't really like the false generalisation. Anybody who’s ever been involved in a charity will know that both groups of mean nasty people are actually often very generous with their time and money. Of course not all rich people are generous and some Christians are tight but there are a lot of rich people out there who donate a lot to good causes, as there are Christians.
todays beautiful people are leftwing athiests it would seem.
People are becoming more sophisticated in giving to charity these days, and they want to know exactly how and where their money will be spent, and I think that's reasonable.
At the end of the day, and this isn't intended to sound flippant, our armed services aren't there to provide emergency assistance to whichever country in the world requires it at any given time. And just a year after the Tsunami where British and other rich people gave unprecedented sums for aid, I think it's a bit rich to whinge about the lack of support for Pakistan.
WHINGE, ahhhhhh
Exactly.
Do you know if the people you speak of give money to their own charities they support O.B ? or are you assuming they have money but wont part with it ?
I personally only give to certain charities, these charities are special to me so thats why i only give to them.
and I shall be honest, I mainly give to charities in this country.
The massive gap between them and the rest, and their refusal to part with any of their money (or the reasons why they are rich in the first place) are much to blame for the poverty that exists in the world. And the extraordinary (and morally repugnant) lengths they will go to attempt to cheat out of paying taxes- even though they would hardly feel the impact of paying any due taxes, unlike working class people I should add- is another contributing factor.
So yes, the rich do get a bad press when it comes to poverty. And deservedly so.
Don't know exactly why Christians have been mentioned in this particular debate though. The only thing I would say is that anyone who calls himself a Christian yet objects to giving aid to other nations and tries to avoid paying taxes is not a Christian at all.
Many working class/middle class people I know, on wages of say 15k to 35k, made donations of £15 or £20 to the tsunami effort. I know of one far wealthier person (as in six-figure salary and a inheritance of seven figures) who donated £50. You do the maths.
One case doesn't make for a whole nation of course but that would indeed appear to be the story across the nation.
ETA: I found this
Those two sentences are a bit incongruous.
True, I was generalising. There are a few good Rich people. But often, the rich woh give give a small, small percent - they can EASILY afford more.
If they were good Christians, they would give. But it seems tobe OK, if you feel bad about not giving and confess your sins before death. :rolleyes: Religion is good, but so often used badly and flasely.
I've heard that the biggest charitable givers are the poorest and the richest people, with those in the middle being the most stingy.
To be honest though, I'd think less of Bill Gates giving away 99% of his wealth, but still keeping enough to live the rest of his life in luxury, than someone who gave a lesser percentage of their money, but actually made some genuine sacrifices to do so. That's nothing against Bill Gates, by the way, it's his money, he earned it, he can do what he wants with it.
Pakistan spends something like 40% plus of its GDP on developing its nuclear and military might ... I don't think the West can be completely blamed on this occassion ...
(which is no comfort to the poor souls trapped up in the mountains etc)
The Pakistani wealthy don't seem in too much rush to donate either.
The rich donate more, but proportionately less. That's just a fact of life, really. There are many reasons for it, to say its because they are greedy is lazy.
With a few honourable exceptions, the richer the person the greedier they become.
You assume that the rich have larger cash resources, for starters. The richer the person the bigger the mortgage, don't forget. Unless you want them to sell their house for some starving Ethiopians, you're being very unfair.
No working class person has to sell their homes for making a donation. But you can bet your arse that most of those people will still feel the effect of making a £20 donation at the end of the month.
Rich people could donate considerably larger sums without even noticing it's gone from the bank account. In practice few do.
Where do you draw the line as rich? Income? Lots of people on high incomes don't have any more spare cash than those on lower ones, they just have nicer things.
This notion you appear to have of rich people somehow struggling to make ends meet or being cash-strapped is extraordinarily bizarre, I must say.
Also money is only one way of giving. if you go into any Help the Aged or Oxfam shop you'd quickly realise they would cease to exist if middle-class women didn't give large chunks of their free time to helping out in them.
its not that the rich don't give to charity its that they give in a different way.
i'm going with aladdin on this one cos human nature doesn't seem to have changed much if at all since the biblical writting regarding the widows mite.
the rich people openly donated loads of cash and goods and finery to the temple ...whilst mocking the old widow ...who only ever put in a small coin but ...the small coin was ALL she had.
they gave net to nothing compared with her ...
same as it ever was then?
Can we ever give tooo much aid
maybe should be changed to ...
will we ever give enogh?
Pretty much.