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poorer students have more trobles paying off their debts
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4379544.stm
no suprise really, not like everyone walks into a 22k a year job after uni who doesn't want to be finance or medicine
no suprise really, not like everyone walks into a 22k a year job after uni who doesn't want to be finance or medicine
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Sorry wheresmyplacebo, not taking the piss out of you. But that BBC story is surely a contender for gold medal in the Stating the Bleeding Obvious World Championship.
People from poor backgrounds don't struggle because of that, as the report says they struggle because they are more likely to have got worse degrees form less prestigious institutions, not because their mum and dad weren't well off.......
Perhaps, but really once you are at university, there is no reason why your background should affect your grades.
It sounds harsh but if your parents were poor they are more likely to have been less academically able, and hence their children as well........
I don't think so. It's a cycle. Say somebody who's parents were poor, had to leave school at 16 to get a job, didn't go to a good school, didn't have very good opportunities and it can follow on to their children.
You what?
I'd love to see you try and explain that one.
Why should someones economic background affect there grades at university?
Because those that get money chucked at them from the parents will most likely have one less worry, and not have to work evenings/weekends to make ends meet.
:banghead:
Yes, but that's only a small percentage of students. Certainly when I was at University most students were poor and many had to work, even though their parents might be on larger incomes. Many middle class students got no grant, which poorer ones did.
People from poorer backgrounds often see University as a way to escape the poverty trap and work harder, than middle-class students who do the minimum and spend most of their time pissed. However middle class students often come from families who aspired to get them into university and support them (not just finacially, but morally). Kids from working class backgrounds, may be the first in their family to go to university and may come from families who do not have the same aspirations.
OK its an generalisation, but its often not true to say its 'poverty' which is the defining factor in university success
Oh and btw, students grants were abolished some time ago.
For once we agree.
But once they get there I'm not sure poverty has so much of an affect
That's why I said when I was at University. They now get help on fees which students from wealthier backgrounds don't, so the point remains similar.
But still remains largely nonsensical.
The accomodation fees at Durham, for instance, are higher than the maximum student loan payment.
How much money you have impacts a great deal on how well you do at University. It's much easier to do well when mummy and daddy buy you Quayside apartments.
Yes, but how many middle-class families can happily afford £200,000 (or whatever it is) for a quayside flat. A very small proportion.
Most middle-class students are not running around in porsches and drinking champers every night either - they too are often working and are in poor housing conditions.
It may be true the ultra-rich are insulated from the living on fish fingers and baked beans, but not the majority of students.
That said I'm not sure its a bad thing that students get some idea of 'how the other half live' when they're in university. Most will go into enjoyable and relatively well paid jobs, even a teacher gets paid more than a factory packer on minimum wage.
no but most middle class students get good financial help from their parents
my mum gives me £50/month + if i got into serious difficulties she'd lend me the money, thankfully i know how to budget and im very good at it, unlike my flatmates, one of whoms dad is a consultant and moans that he is screwed over in the student loan as he thinks "if you get your rent paid by the student loan, why cant i even though my mum and dad earn more than 5 times what my mum does"
Many do not and certainly not to the extent that they get nice flats paid for them
But I'm not arguing over that. I'm arguing over poverty affects your perfornmance when you get to Uni.
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I don't mean to take the piss, well, I do, but to be honest, that was such a 'no shit' article that I'm really surprised you went to the trouble of posting it.
Pope found to actually be a Nazi.