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What's the difference between....
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A citizen and someone who is merely in the country?
There must be a difference but I can't for the life of me think of what it is.
There must be a difference but I can't for the life of me think of what it is.
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Yeah, Kilntock claimed countries don't exist so citizenship is therefore irrelevant.
I don't. It's like asking fundies about the commandments, kind of thing.
Well, actually I know that countries aren't there, and you happily admit that it's just a belief.
So, what's the difference?
Thought the difference was obvious, are you meaning it in some sortof other sense?
A citizen belongs in and is a national of the country of which they are a citizen. They are in a way "attached" to that country - it is the state they are responsible too.
Yeah, it's tricky for me to grasp because I don't do this stuff normally. My up and coming liability for an ID card is going to depend on this difference though.
Belongs how? Does the country own them? How is that possible? All wandering arguments about countries aside, legally, they are groups of people owing allegence in exchange for protection. I don't see anyone getting protection, do you?
So if I am not a citizen then I don't have any responsibilities, like tax and following laws?
A french Citizen cannot get a British passport or ID card, for example. You have to be a British citizen or know a good forger. I suppose in a way we are kindof "Owned" by the state... odd way to think of it. And not "Owned" in the internet sense, although with the new anti-terror laws, we have been!
As everyone who commits crimes will be taken to court whatever their citizenship, that can't be part of it. Same with taxation, Unless i can swap to being swiss and stop paying or something.
So if I give those things back I stop being a citizen?
I think it's the latest word for "peasant".
I am assuming that since you can renounce your citizenship it's a voluntary thing. After all I can gain other citizenships and drop any current one that I have. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to make my own country.