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Copyright and the internet.
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Downloading music and films etc.
Right or wrong?
On the one hand, it's depriving those industries of sales and revenue. That might just make them more competitive though, with only bands that can perform well live making a living at it and all the shite that's sold through mass marketing at the moment going the way of the dodo.
On the other, there is no loss, the information is copied and the original remains untouched. What's been lost is a possible or potential sale. I am sure a lot of people will download stuff they vaguely like but would never ever buy though.
And then there are two other issues related to these -
Downloading for yourself and downloading to sell. I can see quite clearly that the "potential sales" argument is much, much stronger if you start to copy and pirate than if you retain only for yourself. I still am not sure about it all though.
What do you think?
Right or wrong?
On the one hand, it's depriving those industries of sales and revenue. That might just make them more competitive though, with only bands that can perform well live making a living at it and all the shite that's sold through mass marketing at the moment going the way of the dodo.
On the other, there is no loss, the information is copied and the original remains untouched. What's been lost is a possible or potential sale. I am sure a lot of people will download stuff they vaguely like but would never ever buy though.
And then there are two other issues related to these -
Downloading for yourself and downloading to sell. I can see quite clearly that the "potential sales" argument is much, much stronger if you start to copy and pirate than if you retain only for yourself. I still am not sure about it all though.
What do you think?
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would you care?
I don't think I would, to be honest. The word "stole" here is the bit I am confused over. If I had a cloning gun, shot your TV and made an exact copy of it for myself and yours was unharmed it woudn't be theft, would it?
You have to lose something for it to be theft I think. The other thing is I would have to know that it had happened, and on the internet you can't always or even often tell.
Well it is illegal...
Would that be the same moral compass that, for instance, maintains that all crime should be punished apart from when one fancies breaking the speed limit, because one enjoys going as fast as he likes?
Is property theft if one's moral compass tells so?
Let us know when you find one, RK.
The law is for sociopaths like RK who need actual barriers because they don't have any empathy or redeeming human features. Theft is wrong, even children will tell you that. Making copies isn't stealing, because nothing has been taken.
Well yeah, but that's the whole point. You don't take anything. You copy, which isn't the same thing at all. Walking out of HMV with a DVD is theft. Creating a new one isn't theft, it's unlicensed creation maybe or something.
I don't think theft has to invlove the removal of something physical to be defined as theft. I think it's perfectly possible to be capable of stealing someones intellectual property for example.
"Piracy is teh communisms!!!111one"
It's theft. But like I give a shit? I am not rich enough to afford everything I want. I actually will, no shit, at osme point buy all the CD's i've downloaded. I want the jazzy little booklet, and it just isn't the same as having the real thing, you know? The bands deserve our money, although, hardly shit-all of what you get goes through to them. Theiving big private commerce takes it, when all they fagging did was release it.
About time Bands said enough is enough, and did the CD's themselves. Could sell it cheaper, AND get all the money they deserve.
This would work if they didn't require the financial backing of the record companies in the first place to market their material to an extent that it become profitable for all parties involved.
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html
looks at how it works, it's legalised extortion, songs i download i dont buy eventually i would of never bought anyway so does it matter anyway, and the albums i have bought
and legal downloads = muggers, cd album + inserts and ability to do what you want with it (including sell on) £6, downloading an album (with drm restrictions) £8
eta - its legal to buy from russian mp3 sites at 5p a song as their music copyright law doesnt cover the internet
I don't doubt that the artists, especially newly signed ones, do get butt fucked with regards to the money they make. The point i was trying to make was that to give the bands enough exposure to later become big enough to pull some punches with regards to contracts etc then they'd need the finanical backing of a large label to start them off. I'm not saying it's fair, because it isn't, but it is capatalism at it's finest.
the music industry is really fucked though, its an arse raping on the memo they sign to agree to sign a contract at a later date especially, but you'd be unable to be signed then
its like pleging your allegiance to fight for an army since you dont even know what youll be doing at the end of it all
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/leecol.html
I've got to say that a lot of it is due to the music industry being completely incompitent in using the new technology to sell their music. And the film industry is going the same way. I think a lot of the DVD piracy (and computer game piracy) in this country has more to do with the ridiculous amount of time we have to wait to get the product after it's release abroad.
I hate all that anti-piracy software on CD's though. I've paid for a CD, I should be able to copy it to my computer if I want to.
It is theft - But I see it as righteous theft. If it wasn't for the need for stupid middle-men companies we'd get it at a reasonable price. But no, "Publishers" or "Leeches" mean it gets racked up.
I love Steam for that reason, gaming wise - hopefully, from now on, they can cut out the publisher! No more stupidity! Hopefully, cheap stuff, if valve can get it well established enough to tell Sierra to fuck off.
Video cassettes are far more complicated to put together, whereas a DVD is pressed, printed and whacked in a box.
I'm aware that the assembly of media may not have a huge impact, but it seems a bit silly to pay twice the price for something so much simpler. Special features or not (and you can't fast-forward through all the crap at the front).