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Three Irish women going to the ECHR on abortion
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Continuing with my fertility theme and all things uterine, this story is a few days old, but worth mentioning.
Three Irish women are taking Ireland to the European Court of Human Rights over their country's laws on abortion.
About 6000 women have to go overseas every year to obtain an abortion outside of Ireland, most go to the UK. At MSI, we see many Irish ladies, and it's stressful enough having to make a decision to have a termination, without the added trauma of having to travel overseas, especially after invasive surgery.
"The three women, who have not been named, claim Ireland's laws violate articles within the European Convention on Human Rights, and that Irish law on abortion "jeopardises their health and well-being"
I'm not familiar with the Convention, but I do believe that any law prohibiting abortion jeopardises a woman's health and wellbeing - and the 500 women who die daily from an illegal unsafe abortion would probably agree.
The Irish government said that they have 'no plans to introduce any legislation on what is a highly sensitive issue'.
Three Irish women are taking Ireland to the European Court of Human Rights over their country's laws on abortion.
About 6000 women have to go overseas every year to obtain an abortion outside of Ireland, most go to the UK. At MSI, we see many Irish ladies, and it's stressful enough having to make a decision to have a termination, without the added trauma of having to travel overseas, especially after invasive surgery.
"The three women, who have not been named, claim Ireland's laws violate articles within the European Convention on Human Rights, and that Irish law on abortion "jeopardises their health and well-being"
I'm not familiar with the Convention, but I do believe that any law prohibiting abortion jeopardises a woman's health and wellbeing - and the 500 women who die daily from an illegal unsafe abortion would probably agree.
The Irish government said that they have 'no plans to introduce any legislation on what is a highly sensitive issue'.
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If anyone is being prevented from travelling abroad to have an abortion, then their human rights would clearly be being breached. If they're free to go then I don't think human rights legislation applies.
Ideally abortion should be made available for all who wish it though.
Presumably the government isnt going to pay for this visit to the UK or the abortion, so those on low incomes are discriminated against.
But as you say if as a nation they have repeatedly said they dont want them its quite culturally arrogant to tell them what they can and cant do.
And most often they're the ones with the more advanced gestations, because by the time they've scraped enough money together for the trip, they're about 18 - 19 weeks+
However, it does put an unecessary barrier in the way.
Still like to see their law changed, but if the people don't want it, then I have to go with democracy
I think it would be reasonable to argue that the right to an abortion is fairly fundamental in the modern world.
The fact that Ireland still rules it illegal is frankly bizarre in a country that is upposed to be a part of a modern Europe.........
As for the abortion issue, I try to stay neutral into the whole choice/life debate, but I can't help but feel that with the notable exceptions of rape, emergency medical circumstances and the like, taking a life for a personal "well-being" seems selfish, especially as the well being of another potential living being is threatened; even more so in that the women had a choice in becoming pregnant. Why is adoption suddenly no option? If the well-being remark suggests that the woman is physically unable to give birth then perhaps that is a different angle, but in my opinion this is another abuse of human rights laws. Were they not set up to protect fundamental abuses such as torture and repression, not to be used as an excuse for every part of a person's life?
As for illegal abortions, well, that again is a personal choice and if a woman is havign such problems that she cannot carry her baby that she is desperate to have it done in a back-street clinic, then perhaps her own mental state would give leave for a sanctioned abortion.
Having children is also 'selfish' - what's your point? Why should rape/anything else traumatic be the only 'acceptable' reason for someone to have an abortion? I think forcing someone to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth will most certainly affect their well-being, and not for the better given that pregnancy etc isn't a barrel of laughs, fluffy kittens and candy.
Because it's a parenting option, not a pregnancy option. If someone is having an abortion, it means they do not want to carry a pregnancy to term. For adoption to work, the woman must be willing to carry a pregnancy to term and give birth.
How generous.
what should be dealt with is the situation that is driving the poor woman down that road.
Could it be the several thousand children in social services care already?
Don't be silly MOK - they're not fresh out of the oven, they don't count.
Should be a drinking game where a shot is required everytime adoption is suggested as the solution for abortion/infertility/The Times crossword
will you be adopting?
Sounds like the beginning of a joke I used to know...
Who is this joker?