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Pills-please inform me!
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Hey there everyone,sorry about the lack of introduction on this site. I'm new incase you hadn't guessed and I just need a bit of information about pills. I've never done them before and I really don't understand what they actually are. What chemicals are in them exactly and do they vary a lot between the different varieties? (i.e. what's the difference between doves and snowballs?) Please help me and apologies for the naivity!
Thanks, *Shiny_things*
Thanks, *Shiny_things*
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The first thing I'd say is not to go by the 'varieties' (logos) on them. Pill strength can vary, even within the same batch. Doves, MTVs, smilies....it doesn't matter. As mentioned earlier, get a pill testing kit to help minimise the risk a bit.
If you or a friend is thinking of taking some, there are a few things to mention. Firstly, don't do it if you've any history of depression or similar. The aftereffects from pills can exacerbate any latent or non-latent depression issues.
Secondly, if you are going to take them, be sure that:
edited to add:
Go and look on Pillreports to see whether a certain batch in your area is well-received or not. To be fair, I often suspect that dealers use that site to try and give their batch of pills a good report, but then that might be me being paranoid.
God - these days they're probably 1% MDMA and 99% crap.
I mean - the fact that they used to be £15 and they are now £3 should be a fair giveaway - whereas no other drugs have changed price over the years.
Also, people used to be quite happy with one for the whole night, and now people are more likely to take 5 and still be feeling the come down beofr ethey catch the last train home.
Be warned - the come down from pills is a nasty nasty nasty feeling.
It's like being dumped.
It's like when you click Log Off on your computer and the desktop picture starts to fade to black and white. It's really horrible. Makes you wanna cry.
I shudder at the memory!
Like morrocan roll says, everything's come down in price. I would imagine it's largely because of the boom in useage.
Well maybe a bit. But not in the same dramatic way that Es did.
Es dropped from around £15 to under £5 in a few short years - where as coke and hash and skunk have only dropped by a few pounds in over a decade. It's totally different, don't you think?
(Maybe I was getting it all from the wrong people??!!)
all illegal drugs are down in price and ever more available.
OK.
I stand corrected.
(again!)
Actually I think you'll find the quality has stayed pretty steady. I remember seeing a number of articles with test results from different years and that's certainly what they suggested.
The good ones make music amazing, it goes through your whole body and if you close your eyes you can actually visualise each sound. Some just knock me out and I've had total blackouts for 30 mins to an hour, dont know if I was asleep or awake.
I dont know what crap they put in them now, really it's best to do some research on that kind of thing but I just take the plunge and havent had any physical problems (so far) from any. The comedown is usually not too bad but a few have left me with LSD type visuals in my head trying to sleep, and thats quite uncomfortable.
Overall they're good but the effects vary alot.
I know you are new, but you might want to ask questions if you dont know what you are talking about, rather than making statements.
Pills will always have a large percentage of inert filler, otherwise it wont fit together.
The price has fallen because of increased production and stagnant demand.
Pills are cheap to make, it just used to be the profit margin was a lot better than it is now.
Most pills are MDMA and the more wierd varients dont crop up very often, ketamine and amphetamine are relatively rare now. MDEA is almost unheard of anymore.
It is really only MDA which seems to be the most common adultarant, many pills contain a trace amount but others more.
This explains the LSD type hallucinations and lack of sleep someone reports above.
Thanks guys you've been a lot of help!
Well how fabulous. We now have another happy bunny bouncing off to go and buy drugs. Wohoo!
So that's what this site is about, eh?
I must have read the mod rules all wrong. :no:
And to clarify my point earlier, BongBuddha.... I call all the things you listed... (MDA, MDEA, ketamine, amphetamine, etc) crap, because that's what I think they all are. I know that's just my personal opinion - but that's why I said it.
It's like - if someone was saying, "I want to blow my brains out, but I don't know which gun to use," is there really any point in going in to the finer details of different bullets? Will it really make any difference to the person wanting to pull the trigger?
If there's a valid and important point to the last 2 pages, then please enlighten me. And will it help if shiny_things can tell the ambulance crew the ingredients of the pill if she/he ODs and is rushed to hospital?
And do we know that shiny_things isn't ten-years-old? (no offence, s_t!)
Moreover, your analogy of someone blowing their brains out is innacurate, misleading and - quite frankly - a load of fucking codshit.
If someone wants to take drugs, surely it's best for them to do so under the most educated conditions possible, rather than running in blindly on the strength of urban myth and uncertainty?
Also, your analogy about blowing brains out implies that every drug will kill you outright. That is tantamount to scare tactics.
And whether this person is 10 or 70, we:
a) cannot stop them taking drugs, and
b) if they're going to, they might as well make an informed decision.
If you want a valid and important point, how about "education over misinformation".
Jesus.
Can we stop anyone buying drugs by saying dont? No. I have tried in the past and it hasnt worked (see my efforts with Shogun and pill use).
As for OD'ing from pills, thats unlikely and if they take the precautions which have been layed out even less likely. What we are trying to do is provide people with all the knowledge we have to reduce the risk.
We could quite easily just say 'dont do it, its dangerous' but I have a feeling that wouldnt work.
This site is about harm reduction, yes people might go off and try drugs after learning about them on here, but they hopefully will do it in a slightly safer way than they would have without us.
As for this posters age, unless I know its under 18 then frankly its none of my business. I have been VERY forward in my view about under age people using drugs and I think I have made it very clear in the past why this is a bad idea.
Yes it would be safer if the people visiting this site didnt go off and take drugs, but then how realistic is that?
That and some of us feel passionately that drugs can actually provide people with deeply possitive experiences. Yes there are risks, but thats why I try and give as detailed answers to questions as I possibly can.
I hope that goes some way to explaining why we do what we do.
We don't encourage people to buy drugs we just tell it the way we see it.
It's a lot more helpful then 'Just Say No' and false statements about the content of pills.
Sharing experiences and being able to talk openly is all about harm reduction.
i will get round to looking at your form filling thing but i'm afraid i drove another 800 miles today so am nackered again.
thing is ...i'm getting a little wary of what i'm going to find.
obviously havne't got a clue what you're talking about...
here's a better analogy i would use...
it's like-if someone was saying "i want to skydive to get a good buzz but i don't know what the safest method and best parachute is to use, could you please tell me so my skydive is safe and enjoyable" and yes i would go into the finer details to provide them with it...grow up!
Except of course that skydiving is more dangerous.
Okay - okay. Chill guys!
I feel like I have just had a cyber slapping!
I'm not trying to start a riot here - I'm just talking the way I talk.
Okay - maybe the gun...head...blowing analogy was too strong. And the sky-diving analogy was a much better example of the way people feel. (Damn! I wish I'd thought of that one!)
I just get carried away, okay? So please bear with me. I've lost a fair few friends to drugs and alcohol and I just get worried about everybody. Call it an out-of-control mothering instinct or whatever.
So - I apologise for freaking everbody out... and I'll try and think before I type in future! okay?
Oh - and Morrocan Call, don't worry about the questionaire. I'm not a loony or anything. And if you don't wanna do, it just scrap it. Or.... you could educate me! Heh heh!!