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what the hell do they actually stand for?
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Basically they are anti Europe and want to have less immigrants.
I think that kind of covers it all. They're not exactly a multi-issue party...
They do have a kind of manifesto with policies covering most issues...they're basically right wing lunatics...disenfranchised tories etc.
Err...so UKIP are not right wing, and do not gather much of their support from disenfranchised conservatives?
I wonder why you're jumping to their defence...are you a member at all??
And what’s that insightful verdict based on? UKIP pushing the LibDems into fourth place in the European Elections and getting more MEP's than Britain's 'third' party?
I don't like UKIP. I just think that when a relatively new party manages to gain a lot of popular support pretty quickly as they did for the Euro Election they probably shouldn't be written off as having 'no future'.
everyone knows people use the european elections as a reaction vote to their dissillusionment with a certain party...the tories won the european elections by miles...they've no chance of winning the general election and with kilroy silk leaving...they've no famous figurehead for their party...they're a dead party if there ever was one
Yes, the key word there however is European, they will never make big gains in a general election.
Let us not forget that for starters our whole society is built upon immigration. None of our current religions and mainstream spiritual paths are British born (unless you count Wicca, the Druid revival or Celtic reconstructionalism) and neither is the majority of the food we eat.
Then we have our main language which is a hybrid of Germanic, Latin, French, plus other European languages such as Spanish and more recently, some Japanese terms.
Heck, even the toilet wasn't a British thing, the Romans introduced that wonderful idea of hygene and democracy was an idea coined in Ancient Greece.
And these days... Well we come around 32nd according to a document I found as for how many asylum seekers we take in, most of which benefit us. In case you haven't noticed, people are living longer and having less children... We're currently supporting the millions of people born in the Baby Boom just after the war, more immigrants working are paying more taxes... Plus those who settle down are having kids who will support you and me when we're older (you are in the same generation of most people on the boards aren't you?).
A lot of immigrants do jobs that many Brits won't do because a lot of us feel that those jobs are below us and then... We have the cheek to accuse them of taking all the jobs.
Besides, don't you think that for the benefit of our generation and the generations that are to come, it's a good idea to start understanding other cultures rather than shunning them or pushing them away? Knowledge is golden.
Yes we can be friends with them, yes we can trade with them but I don't want Euro's in my pocket nor do I want to be dictated to by Brussels - we have enough of that already!
Retain British democracy and say NO to a federal European state! You can't put a price on freedom.
Well, to use my favourite phrase, "if it has a beak like a duck, and it quacks like a duck ....etc"
The French/German Axis is out to dominate Europe, and it will, look how easily they got off after breaking the Stability Pact rules!! They make the rules for others to obey, but the same rules do not apply to them.
We can exist outside a European Superstate, as we have done so outside the Euro currency, so we shouldn't be seduced into thinking that the EU Referendum is "just a tidying up exercise" as Phoney Blair has tried to make out - it will bind us ever closer to this non-democratic entity!