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Peado's on the increase - or just getting caught now?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/4369747.stm
In my opinion, there is two flipsides. With P2P networks, and the like, I'm sure anyone who used them know how astonishingly easy it is to get porn. And that no doubt encompasses more unsavory types as well. Whereas in the pre-internet days you had to know the guys who made the stuff practically, which I'm hoping isn't that many people.
But anyway. My take on this is after the rise from the internet and such, police are now catching up. They're catching and convicting more people than ever before. One thing that did make me wonder though, is that it mentions people 'cautioned' for owning child porn. Where is the line between cautioning and charging I wonder.
I think though, that this story is going to be seen by many people and they will panic, thinking we have a 'peadophile epidemic'.
But anyway, just thought it would make an interesting debate :chin:
BBC wrote:The number of arrests and convictions of paedophiles using computers to commit crimes against children has quadrupled in two years.
New figures show that the number of people cautioned or charged with child pornography offences in 2003 was up 2,300.
"Forty nine percent of children have had contact, inappropriate contact, with someone online, and their parents don't know about it. They're not talking to their parents."
In my opinion, there is two flipsides. With P2P networks, and the like, I'm sure anyone who used them know how astonishingly easy it is to get porn. And that no doubt encompasses more unsavory types as well. Whereas in the pre-internet days you had to know the guys who made the stuff practically, which I'm hoping isn't that many people.
But anyway. My take on this is after the rise from the internet and such, police are now catching up. They're catching and convicting more people than ever before. One thing that did make me wonder though, is that it mentions people 'cautioned' for owning child porn. Where is the line between cautioning and charging I wonder.
I think though, that this story is going to be seen by many people and they will panic, thinking we have a 'peadophile epidemic'.
But anyway, just thought it would make an interesting debate :chin:
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Think you covered it, Before the internet you had to know how to get hold of it and its not something you could get in your local newsagent. Now anyone with an internet line and credit card can download to there heart's content.
Hopefully Operation Ore will have taken a lot out and also warned those who might be interested that credit cards can be traced and its not worth the risk.
I changed it, I hope it's ok now. Unless you'd like to suggest another title?
*More people use computers.
*The issue has been sensationalised by the mass media, exaggerated etc.
*Easy to find out with all the modern techonology these days.
Or people are just becoming more perverted?
Along those lines; sex and in particular 'taboo' sex is becoming more acceptable. Whereas teenage sex generations ago was sickening, it's now the norm. Anal sex was not only disgusting; but could be punished, either by the law or otherwise. Nowadays, attitudes to all these have relaxed, so maybe marginal people, felt more comfortable with seeing children as sex objects.
However, my theory is it's not really about the sex at all, it's about power, or something along those lines. But then that raises another issue: the people who like this kind of thing are sick - mentally or emotionally sick. Should they be given help though?
As always, it is sensationalised by the media, we aren't discussing child slavery or would hunger, which are issues that go on day by day without any of us caring about. As soon as some says 'peadophile' though every is raring to join in on the lynch mob. Myself included, it makes me convulse violently, I cannot understand how people, humans like you and myself, can do this kind of thing or enjoy watching this kind of thing that happens to children. However, that's a purely emotional argument, and probably doesn't have a place in rational debate
The police have said this too- people get off on looking at younger children having sex, but they would never actually harm a child themselves, and if they really knew how much suffering they caused they wouldn't look at CP. I think a lot of CP viewers are just curious rather than dangerous.
One interesting thing about the increase in CP offences is how many of them are committed by minors, and this is where the trouble comes. A lot of young teenagers just want to see what their peers look like naked, which isn't a problem except that the CP causes such horror to the victim.
One of the problems (which I'm sure you've picked up on) is that if you download off a p2p network, you also upload, you help in the distribution of it. There's no such thing as 'just having a peek'.
There isn't such a thing as a harnless peek because a child has been abused to make the photographs or videos, but because the victim and viewer are so distant it is easy for the curious to forget that it is a real child being really hurt.
alas one of the major draw backs in wired societies.
I think its also reasonable to point out that the needs and feelings of the individual (the child as the victim) are taken into account more readily and more openly than has been the case in the past (when these allegations would have presented a threat to various powers, structures and agencies, which is not to say that they still dont).
That and also advances in forensic and electronic detections (in line with those on the criminal side) have increased the reach of investigation and prosecution.
I think it is ok, but invariably the porn itself is illegal and peadophilically generated. The thing is, how do you stop peadophiles getting it? You can't really, so there is the problem.
A 12-year-old boy in Middlesbrough downloaded porn from a "friend" in a Yahoo chatroom. He was wanting to see his peers with no clothes on, he didn't open the rest (of four year olds being raped), they cautioned him and put him on the sex offenders' register (and only had to do that because it was a mandatory law).
True I think it does have the positive impact however because disregarding old dirty men, most teenagers wait later and when they are more sensible to start having sex.
The problem is not the age of consent (how many listen to that law in this country?) the problem is social attitude.
In this country there is the pressure to lose your virginity as soon as possible- everyone else is shagging like rabbits, after all- and this pressure does mean that men can easily manipulate young women and girls. It's quite easy to manipluate someone into doing something by pointing out that all their friends and doing it, and nobody wants to date a frigid loser.
Sex at a young age, particularly in women, is linked to low self-esteem and low levels of ambition. If you have hope in your life, and you are comfortable with yourself, you are not open to manipulation and are better prepared to "just say no".
thats the official view...all these things were practiced behind closed doors...it was illegal to be gay until the 60's...doesn't mean gays weren't banging away in the 50's or any other time before that does it???
What I mean though is people who are on the margins, someone who wouldn't have done it, but then when it seems to be ok, will do. Because the increase in cp isn't huge, I think it's just a marginal shift reflecting a general shift by all of society. If you move all of society, the things around the edge move just a bit.
It is accessible now. That is the only difference.
Don't forget, of course, that most sexual abuse of children takes place in the family home.
If you go back, I was actually just following a line of thought, I don't think it's more accepted now.
i really don't think there are many people "on the margin" if someone gets turned on by anal sex i'm sure they'll commit it...regardless if it's a taboo or not