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Cannabis downgrade being reviewed
BillieTheBot
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Well you can tell there is an election coming can't you... :rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4363075.stm
It was too good to be true that a government in this country might do something intelligent and progressive for long...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4363075.stm
It was too good to be true that a government in this country might do something intelligent and progressive for long...
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Clarke's more of a fascist than Blunkett!
Watch this one die a death soon after May 5th...
Cannabis leads to mental illness, fact!
On a few cases. And not very often at all.
Alcohol on the other hand is a far more sinister and dangerous poison, leading not only to mental conditions but to countless other medical conditions including heart disease and liver disease, as well as being responsible for more crime than any other substance known to man, and indeed killing up to 100,000 people every year.
I look forward to your campaigning that alcohol is banned immediately from consumption.
Cannabis can very occasionally exacerbate mental illness if used heavily, and by people with pre-existing problems.
Prohibition is a farce.
It doesn't reduce use significantly - Holland has a fewer cannabis users per % of population than the USA or UK.
The majority of what is sold as cannabis largely isn't cannabis - it's a mix of other drugs (tranquilisers etc), shit, henna, glue, boot polish...just about anything which can be used to cut the product. The impact on people's health doesn't need pointed out.
So the government stands by a policy which doesnt reduce use, and poisons its own population. Well done.
link please kid?
He put up links to some news stories on the other thread. None of them back up what he's saying.
And how about responding to the fact prohibition has been shown as a failure in reducing use whilst at the same time poisoning the very people it supposedly protects?
What "spin" have I put on the issue? The only "spin" put on the issue has been by the supporters of prohibition - who have for decades upon decades peddled lies & misinformation.
he's a literate version of luke....
lol...yeah, i was thinking the same...although luke did accept legalisation was the best option before he was banned...which was something i suppose.
As far as prohibition goes, it doesn't stop people using drugs. It is worth noting, however, the damage that legal drugs (mainly nicotine and alcohol) is massive, and famously during Prohibtion in the US, there was a 50% decrease in alcohol consumption, 63% decrease in cirrhosis of the liver and 60% decrease in alcohol psychosis. Parallel to this was a massive increase in organised crime (Al Capone et al) and no taxable revenue for the government.
Legalising all drugs would be less hypocritical than prohibiting some, but what about the increase in usage? I am sure the billions in revenue the government gets in duty on alcohol and tobacco goes some way to cover the billions it costs to fix people on the NHS who suffer the not-inconsiderable side-effects of abusing alcohol and nicotine.
I honestly don't know. Certainly studies should continue in the effects of cannabis. I don't think that government holds the key to changing peoples relationship with drugs, and that a cultural shift has to occur (certainly in the UK). Dutch people don't smoke nearly as much as British people.
An ex drug addict who turned in2 a drug counseller stated that you do not get mental illness from cannabis unless the issues are already there. Cannabis is safer than alcohol and ciggarettes as long as it is smoked on its own. I smoke it, it chills me out.... I say it should be legal.
Yes, as with any hallucinogen its not going to be a great idea if you have pre-existing mental health issues, but that is an educational issue, not a legal one.
you couldn't be more wrong.
what has increased in potency ...slightly ...is grass or bud.
none of it comes anywhere near the strength of the resins ...resins that had changed little over the centuries ...that were available in the 60's 70's.
panama red ...lebanese red ...and gold ...nepalese temple balls ...most people today have never experienced nepalese hash ...most people today would think they had been spiked with lsd compared to the fairly medocre bud thats available in the uk.
good strong weed ...what about durban poison ...nock the fucking street bud for six!
the new evidence about mental health problems is not new in the slightest ..it just confirms what has been known for years.
given that even those who would like to see cannabis redone as a class b ...admit that less than ten percent of users will have any kind of problem.
so ...why should my pleasure be criminalised ...
But, that is as likely to be a symptom of the habit rather than the actual smoking, if you know what I mean. From what I know people who smoke normally only do it when they're hanging out with mates etc. - like having a beer infront of the telly. I can't claim I'm an expert anyway, just pointing out from my personal experience those who do smoke it quite frequently are for want of a better word... strange
the strength of cannabis on sale now far outstrips the strength of the drug sold during the "flower power" era of the 1960s and 1970s. - Source
I don't really think you can convincingly argue that cannabis strength has only risen *slightly*. Get real.
I am glad that people here have been able to smoke whatever and not be adversely affected. Its similar to the "my granma smoked 20 fags a day until she died aged 99, never did her any harm" argument.
I suppose the classification should serve the same purpose as a warning on a pack of cigarettes. I don't agree with criminalising people who want to take drugs, its a waste of time. But, like tobacco, the government should warn people about the risks and provide treatment for stopping. The studies just aren't there yet, so maybe it is best to err on the side of caution...?
in most cases it is arpound 2% stronger ...and often even weaker than stuff grown naturaly.
this country is now producing a huge ammount of home grown and even exporting the stuff ...as is most of europe.
there are millions upon millions across europe smoking the stuff ...has been for a very long time ...a very long time ...and people just aint going crazy!
the laws actualy do far more harm than the drug itself could ever do!
yes there should be education ...but based on truth.
yes there should be warnings.
but i'm fucked if i can see why on earth people like me ...sat here talking to you ...whilst having a smoke ...should be liable to imprisonment.
i'm also at a complete loss as to why these supposedly dangerous substances that generate billions upon billions of tax free quids ...should be in the hands of criminals.
Why would you pay more for a stronger product then smoke the same amount?
Thats like buying vodka and then drinking a pint of it.
You are assuming that all stonners want to get a LOT more stonned than they used too, which I dont believe.