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HMS Satan

Royal Navy welcomes first ever Satanist on board

"The British Armed Forces has officially recognised its first registered Satanist, a newspaper reports.
Naval technician Chris Cranmer, 24, has been allowed to register by the captain of HMS Cumberland, based at Devonport Naval Base in Plymouth.

The move will mean that he will now be allowed to perform Satanic rituals on board the vessel."


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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And why the hell not? Seems just as valid to me as any other. Maybe if he starts wearing a rams skull and drinking blood then it might get in the way of duty, but I'm sure he'll be fine.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's pissed off a lot of people.

    That'll do nicely :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its all bollox and quite sad and pathetic realy I actually think the Navy should ban it,

    Shorly being a satanist celebrates Evil, dosnt it ? so a satanist would support aprove and attempt to carry out acts such as murder rape and child abuse.

    Isnt that the case or am I about to hear a load of bollox
    "no satanists are nice people its all misunderstood"

    But their worshiping the devil which even though he dosnt exsist is still susposed to represent evil for evils sake, would they let a peodaphile aboad ship if he insisted on having his child porn with him ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Satanism and child abuse are two VERY seperate issues.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know the ins and outs of satanism. I'm sure many atrocities have been committed in its name. But as I understand it satanism doesn't advocate 'evil'.

    According to that article "Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification".

    Makes more sense to me than many Christian beliefs I must say...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    true satanism doesnt advocate evil. although its not a religion that speaks to me personally, i dont see why people should suffer discrimination because of it
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If they allow other religions the same freedom, then they should allow satanism equal freedoms. Assuming they recognise it as a religion. It'll probably upset more people than a hindu. But it has to be granted based on values that the UK stands for.
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    Dr PirateDr Pirate Posts: 8,303 Legendary Poster
    I dont see why its such a big deal, if he keeps himself to himself then its fine, its not like he's going about his duties dressed in a big red suit with horns and a tail is it?
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    Satanism and child abuse are two VERY seperate issues.

    :yes:
    "Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification".

    and why the hell not?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No problems, freedom of religion and all that it's not like it will effect his job will it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not unless the ship happens to have a goat mascot around and one of the female officers is a virgin.

    ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't see why one should be discriminated against b/c of his religion.....
    it didn't say he was evil or crazy..... he just believes that one should live their life without restrictions..

    and if you think about it... i don't see why him being a satanist makes him any different than any other person.... everyone sins... and all sin is equivalent in God's eyes...

    why am i not surprised that the "church" was started in America?? :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    all it menas is he can practice it on their ships now


    probably helps being in the army and being a satan worshipper and all ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Iknowyourmum
    Its all bollox and quite sad and pathetic realy I actually think the Navy should ban it,

    Shorly being a satanist celebrates Evil, dosnt it ? so a satanist would support aprove and attempt to carry out acts such as murder rape and child abuse.

    Isnt that the case or am I about to hear a load of bollox
    "no satanists are nice people its all misunderstood"

    But their worshiping the devil which even though he dosnt exsist is still susposed to represent evil for evils sake, would they let a peodaphile aboad ship if he insisted on having his child porn with him ?

    Satanism is not the worship of the Devil. In older times though, the church would write off everything none-christian as something of the Devil. People who went their own way were described as Satanists, and I guess that is why the movement has chosen that name.

    Either way, I wouldn't describe it as evil, but rather as hedonistic. Which the above description also implies.
    Satanism promotes self-respect in the way that you succumb to your urges and don't follow the usual moral-code which is implied through society.
    That said they do have guidelines and are strictly against child-abuse and the likes. If anything they almost see children (as well as animals) as sacred as they follow their instincts and haven't been "brainwashed" by society yet.

    When vandalism of churches in the name of Satanism have been made, then it is most ofently (if not always) commited by bored teenage boys.

    Also, I can't remember his name right now, but the US had a high-standing military persona who was a devoted member of the CoS, which was commonly and openly known many many many years ago (before my birth).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If the navy allows any other personal beliefs, christianity, jewish, muslim, whatever then why not satanism. It is a personal belief and as we are a democracy which promotes free speech and will, satanism should be as much a religion as any other. If an individual chooses to worship satan then so be it, there is no harm in doing so unless they take the route of incorporating criminal practise into their beliefs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    According to that article "Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification".
    If that's how we're going to define satanism, then there are probably a lot of satanists on his ship already.

    He was probably hoping they'd chuck him out and give him compensation. Now he's got to follow through with it. Call his bluff I say. :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Angel121077
    I why am i not surprised that the "church" was started in America?? :p
    pardon?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    pardon?
    The satanist 'church'.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish
    The satanist 'church'.
    so how the frig did the americans start it ...or much else ...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    so how the frig did the americans start it ...or much else ...

    i thought the article said that the church started in L.A. didnt' it??
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    Dr PirateDr Pirate Posts: 8,303 Legendary Poster
    Originally posted by Angel121077
    i thought the article said that the church started in L.A. didnt' it??

    Doesnt mean that satanism was started in the US, just that someone was bothered enough to make a church for the religion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Not unless the ship happens to have a goat mascot around and one of the female officers is a virgin.

    ;)
    Don't know if its any comfort, but HMS Cumberland's mascot is actually a sausage!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    Also, I can't remember his name right now, but the US had a high-standing military persona who was a devoted member of the CoS, which was commonly and openly known many many many years ago (before my birth).
    As I recall there was a Satanist on Bad lad's army. On the first Sunday, when the lads all went to church he refused to enter the church and actually cried. I have honestly never seen anything so pathetic.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Captain Slog
    As I recall there was a Satanist on Bad lad's army. On the first Sunday, when the lads all went to church he refused to enter the church and actually cried. I have honestly never seen anything so pathetic.
    i won't enter churches either. at weddings and funereals i remain outside the door. it's a matter of principal.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    1. i dont think evil and criminal activity are linked.

    2. in fact i'd like to think that satanism and christianity share the drive to recruit more members not kill would be members.

    what does satanism stand for. anyone know?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    i won't enter churches either. at weddings and funereals i remain outside the door. it's a matter of principal.

    at school, we shared your beliefs and myself and my best mate would sit upwards when the rest knelt to pray. we'd sing the wrong verses off the hymm sheet smilling innocnently. or sometimes play bastard when the rest where saying amen. not really relevant- lol that doesn;t make me a satanist!! but i thought you probably had similar experiences 'morrocan roll'!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its all bollox and quite sad and pathetic realy I actually think the Navy should ban it,

    Shorly being a satanist celebrates Evil, dosnt it ? so a satanist would support aprove and attempt to carry out acts such as murder rape and child abuse.

    Isnt that the case or am I about to hear a load of bollox
    "no satanists are nice people its all misunderstood"

    But their worshiping the devil which even though he dosnt exsist is still susposed to represent evil for evils sake, would they let a peodaphile aboad ship if he insisted on having his child porn with him ?

    There's a difference between satanism and devil worshipping. Essentially, satanism might be described as humanism - their doctrines are based on the idea that man alone is his own god and that his life is not predestined by some higher power. They have "anti-commandments" - stuff like "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger", etc. For the most part it makes a lot sense, though some would argue that it's morally corrosive since it could be argued that it advocates that man can do whatever the fuck he likes!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Reese_86 wrote:
    i thought the article said that the church started in L.A. didnt' it??

    by Anton LaVey - check google you should be able to find the info.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Shorly being a satanist celebrates Evil, dosnt it ? so a satanist would support aprove and attempt to carry out acts such as murder rape and child abuse.

    Isnt that the case or am I about to hear a load of bollox
    "no satanists are nice people its all misunderstood"

    But their worshiping the devil which even though he dosnt exsist is still susposed to represent evil for evils sake, would they let a peodaphile aboad ship if he insisted on having his child porn with him ?
    Satanism, or ideas protrayed in the Lavey strand of Satanism in my opinion encompasses much we've been socialised in to in our Western world.

    1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
    Indulgance... As in a 'sucessful' person should have money and thus be able to 'indulge' in expensive clothing, meals and cars...

    2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
    See how science is conditioning us away from our spiritual side? If we're not crapping ourselves over what product causes cancer (instead of leaving it in God's hands), we're pissing around with genetics and building weaponry and continuing our lives without the morality of a spiritual philosophy or dictrine.

    3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
    Wisdom is hard to define, knowledge is often debatable... Either way te West always seems to think it's right, as do other countries.

    4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
    Again, we can see ourselves becoming more like America. Rather than "each according to his need" it's "each according to his ability" (or the depth of his pocket).

    5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
    America have the death penalty, how long until we do?

    6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
    Psychic vampires are people who draw energy from others by the way... who are the 'responsible'?

    7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
    Cogito Ergo Sum?
    These days we can grow human hearts in pigs and some of us are 'evolutionary psychologists', comparing ourselves to animals (I love this Satanic Statement).

    8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
    This verse maybe not so much... Society still has its sins... still, the same rules probably don't apply to everybody.

    9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
    Go Satan!

    To me, Satanism is just human (in the Lavey sense)... I don't see why anybody has issues about it, after all at the end of the day... Who's right?
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