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Ukraine election falls far short

The presidential elections in Ukraine have been roundly called biased and unfair.

Cheating, voter intimidations and just plain fraud has been documented.

The EU and the US have said its not fair but Russia has congratulated the 'winner'.

What should we do, if anything, about elections like this?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Invade, institute regime change and put one of our guys up for election.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Is there much we can do without invading the country?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sanctions I suppose, but they normally only hurt those at the bottom anyway.

    Ukraine does want to get into the EU at some point, thats clearly out of the window if this goes on.

    Perhaps we could put pressure on Russia to put pressure upon Ukraine. But Russia want the person who has been 'elected' in power because he is definately pro-Kremlin.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well the Urkaine will not get into the EU for a long time if their is questions about how democratic the political system is...

    One of the princples a memberstate has when joining the EU is that the state most be an open democratic society with fair elections.

    Russia are quite happy with the guy who has "won" so Russia will do nothing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How interesting that because the pro EU candidate lost, so many are ready to carry the banner of "unfair" "rigged" elections. Yet when a mere 8 million Afghanis, who comprise less than 25% of the total Afghani population, elect the all but expected pro-Western oil puppet Karzai (amidst similar accounts of multiple voting and other polling fraud) everyone hails it as a success.

    Democracy has become a mere relativistic buzzword for "Pro-capitalistic" and nothing more.

    Not that I personally favour Yanukovich, I don't frankly. However given that even US presidential elections are rigged as well, perhaps some consistent universal condemantion and true scrutiny of the process regardless of country is in order.

    My money says you'll see Allawi "elected" as head of Iraq as well in the coming months and equally hailed as legitimate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish
    Invade, institute regime change and put one of our guys up for election.
    Does this apply to all nations where electoral irregularities have been noted? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Ukraine election falls far short
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    The presidential elections in Ukraine have been roundly called biased and unfair.

    Cheating, voter intimidations and just plain fraud has been documented.

    The EU and the US have said its not fair but Russia has congratulated the 'winner'.

    What should we do, if anything, about elections like this?

    Nothing. None of our business surely? One thing to have an opinion on it but another to take 'action'.

    What would you suggest?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Ukraine election falls far short
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    .........................What should we do, if anything, about elections like this?

    hope it happens in the UK?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Putin seems like he's recreating a soviet state anyways. Now he has influence there too.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bluestatesman
    Putin seems like he's recreating a soviet state anyways. Now he has influence there too.

    must say i have disagreed with you on a fair few things since you joined here, but this i completely agree with
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Ukraine election falls far short
    Originally posted by BlackArab
    Nothing. None of our business surely? One thing to have an opinion on it but another to take 'action'.

    What would you suggest?

    Well, we could exclude them from joining the EU for a start.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There wasnt any legitimate will on the part of the EU to consider Ukraine for membership anyways bb. Earlier this year in fact, the Commission and Council made it clear that they would go no further than to extend a Partnership and Cooperation Agreement to Ukraine (similar to that which is practiced with countries like Kazakhstan).

    The very basis for the victory of the incumbent PM is the demonstrable sense in Ukraine that it serves as little more than a cheap exploitable new manufacturing centre for our insatiably greedy big money interests. For that reason Yanukovich aligned himself and his platform with closer re-integration in the Russian sphere of influence.

    In a world which refuses to recognise and isolate the rising fascism and aggressivistic warmongering of Washington (the greater shame for this going to European leaders who more than any should see the unmistakable writing on the wall from Europe's own modern history), it shardly surprising that Putin should be wooing back as many former satellite states as he can to reestablish a bulwark against the expansionist ambitions of the neo-cons.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I can personally see the country one day being divided along these lines - if you look at the election results map the divide between the East and the West is clear.

    The Ukranians will not want this to occur as they historically have a considerable amount of national pride but perhaps it is the only solution to allow both sides to have the leader and world position that they desire.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Godders
    Is there much we can do without invading the country?

    Send our MI6 in. Communicate with pro western groups\parties. Fund and train revolutionaries and start a peoples revolution with our sas mixed in as civilians. We need to stop these commies spreading again. Power to the democracy!

    :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Unfortunately your joke is too close to real life…
    PS Do you mean ‘London, Ontario, Canada, of course!’ ? Good choice!
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