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Hypocrites
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Inspired by the recent thread on Shooting Burglars, where a poster was called a hypocrite:
I don't personally agree with this at all. The Bible, and presumably the other holy texts (that i haven't read so cannot comment on) are not only just about religion, but a way of life. Don't kill one another, do unto others as you'd have done to you.
Why on earth would anyone be called a hypocrite for agreeing with advice on how to live?
Originally posted by wheresmyplacebo
im not even religious and
" Matthew 5:38-42
38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' 39 But I tell you, don't stand up against an evil person. If someone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other cheek also. 40 If someone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 If someone forces you to go with him one mile, go with him two miles. 42 If a person asks you for something, give it to him. Don't refuse to give to someone who wants to borrow from you"
means something to me, and its not too ambigous either
Originally posted by lukesh
if your not religious then your a hypercrite for using it.
I don't personally agree with this at all. The Bible, and presumably the other holy texts (that i haven't read so cannot comment on) are not only just about religion, but a way of life. Don't kill one another, do unto others as you'd have done to you.
Why on earth would anyone be called a hypocrite for agreeing with advice on how to live?
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a bazillion people have explained about tony martin NOT ...being confronted by a burglar but seeing one running away ...he still thinks it's ok to execute someone in that situation.
if we were allowed to behave like that ...it would be a cracking way of getting rid of nieghbours you didn't like.
invite them round ...chase them off with a gun ...shoot them in the back and phone the police ...'hey i found my fucking nieghbours robbing my house so i executed them ...do come round and clear the bodies for me aye.'
and shooting somoene in the back while there running away is perfectly normal, you're always going on about the law and how we should abide by it, well in that situation the legal thing to do would be to ring the police, not shoot him.
ha! luke loses the arguement again
but why didn't he do the LEGAL thing, i.e ring the cops instead of the ILLEGAL thing, shooting ihm the back while running away.
first time i've ever heard the verb thief, why would you run away if you had a gun or knife, especially if you're a cold hearted thief.
What where they called... mmm... Tali-something or other.
I believe they can still be found around the Afghanistan area. Perhaps you should join them... they sure knew how to deal with burglars and wrongdoers! You'll be at home amongst them.
Roo, in the sense of being hypocritical, it would only be the case if for example a christian who is supposed to turn the other cheek does the opposite and demands repayment for the wrong done against them. Quoting a religious text while not being an ascribed member isn't hypocritical. But saying you're a member of any given religion and then not following their beliefs is. I think, quite tired at the moment.
Oddly enough, I agree. He was running away... He could have come back... A friend could be waiting in the car... he could have returned or grabbed a weapon from the back.
i agree with you whole-heartedly.. the Bible is like.. a manual for life.. the way cars have manuals... it gives you advice on how to live your life the best way possible... and if you don't believe in the religion that the Bible represents.. but are still open-minded enough to live by it.. more power to you...
So shooting a child in the back is perfectly acceptable.
Plotting it so that you would is perfectly acceptable.
Using your logic I could rape and mutilate someone, and it'd be fine. They might have been a danger, and they were in my house, so I can do what I want.
Yup, and he could also have left the scene, gone away, never to be seen again.
If he left and then came back brandishing a weapon, it would have been fair enough to shoot him.
Shooting him because you have an overactive imagination is not "reasonable force" ........
What Martin did was murder and completely and utterly unjustifiable.
End of.
manslaughter, my good sir:p
yes, angel that was what i was trying to say, i think. The Bible has had a huge influence on christian and non-christian lives alike.
and that's another idea fiend. just full of hypocrites this place
Tony Martin was only convicted of manslaughter.
I'd hate for someone to fall foul of slander laws.
Lukesh sounds even more like the hard-line David Blunkett than David Blunkett does here.
Nope.
He was never tried for murder, only manslaughter, if I remember rightly.
Still, he isn't a murderer, it was commuted on appeal.
And, whatever any other argument, that kid deserved it.
ah, but do you follow the 'an eye for an eye' part of the bible, or the 'turn the other cheek' part?
they aintpart of the 'same' bible, eye for an eye is a old testament line, and in the new testament, jesus denounces it if you read the whole passage about turning the other cheek
I don’t think anyone deserves to die.
yeah, i see your point. could that be used versus the "no contradictions" argument? or against the trinity theory- after all, if jesus is contradicting that, and the whole thing is supposedly word of god, and non-contradicting, then jesus was fully man with free will.
or something along those lines, it's too late for me to be thinkin really!
there is a very long answer to this that i don't have time for, but in short
Jesus said he came to fullfil the law, not change it: he came to do what the law couldn't do. When moses wrote eye for eye etc, it is becasue there was no justice (bit like today - think TM killing someone for burglery - its not balanced) eye for eye meant justice must match the offence. Jesus however built on that - true justice is loving your neighbour.
best i can do at the mo.
That's bollocks and you know it roo. The major difference between the old and new testement is from the Law to Grace. That is the difference between an eye for an eye and turning the other cheek.