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Fahrenheit 9/11
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Hey, I was wondering if anyone has heard of or seen this film.
Produced by Michael Moore, it (in a simplistic way of putting) is
basically making a mockery of Bush (in a subtle way) and supposedly revealing what really happened behind the way he got into power and the way he dealt with 9/11.
I don't live in UK so I was wondering if it was allowed to show there, considering it has a little mention of Tony Blair in a not so positive light and I'm not sure if it was shown in the US.
"One of the most controversial and provocative films of the year, Fahrenheit 9/11 is Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore's searing examination of the Bush administration's actions in the wake of the tragic events of 9/11. With his characteristic humor and dogged commitment to uncovering the facts, Moore considers the presidency of George W. Bush and where it has led us. He looks at how - and why - Bush and his inner circle avoided pursuing the Saudi connection to 9/11, despite the fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and Saudi money had funded Al Qaeda. Fahrenheit 9/11 shows us a nation kept in constant fear by FBI alerts and lulled into accepting a piece of legislation, the USA Patriot Act, that infringes on basic civil rights. It is in this atmosphere of confusion, suspicion and dread that the Bush Administration makes its headlong rush towards war in Iraq - and Fahrenheit 9/11 takes us inside that war to tell the stories we haven't heard, illustrating the awful human cost to U.S. soldiers and their families."
Produced by Michael Moore, it (in a simplistic way of putting) is
basically making a mockery of Bush (in a subtle way) and supposedly revealing what really happened behind the way he got into power and the way he dealt with 9/11.
I don't live in UK so I was wondering if it was allowed to show there, considering it has a little mention of Tony Blair in a not so positive light and I'm not sure if it was shown in the US.
"One of the most controversial and provocative films of the year, Fahrenheit 9/11 is Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore's searing examination of the Bush administration's actions in the wake of the tragic events of 9/11. With his characteristic humor and dogged commitment to uncovering the facts, Moore considers the presidency of George W. Bush and where it has led us. He looks at how - and why - Bush and his inner circle avoided pursuing the Saudi connection to 9/11, despite the fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and Saudi money had funded Al Qaeda. Fahrenheit 9/11 shows us a nation kept in constant fear by FBI alerts and lulled into accepting a piece of legislation, the USA Patriot Act, that infringes on basic civil rights. It is in this atmosphere of confusion, suspicion and dread that the Bush Administration makes its headlong rush towards war in Iraq - and Fahrenheit 9/11 takes us inside that war to tell the stories we haven't heard, illustrating the awful human cost to U.S. soldiers and their families."
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I saw this film tonight and I didn't like Bush before I viewed. Now I HATE him.
The 9/11 bit was too much of a conspiracy theory in my mind, but the Iraq section hit home.
Really Bush (and Blair to be fair) presented NO evidence of WMD's or an Al Qaeda link. I felt for that woman whose son died in Iraq, because his blood is on Bush's hands.
This dickfuck Bush LIED TO THE WORLD!!!!
Infinitely inferior to his other 2 films (especially Roger and Me).
and his others were far better
id still pay to go see it in a cinema anyday
It's had a wide release in the US though, a guess people still have a right to criticise their governments without having their films banned.
Other than miramax being pulled because of disney, and therefore having no distrubutor for a while. How close was it to being banned. When it was due for release I would have found it very difficult to believe the they would have been sucessful, no I'm not so sure.
Bias doesn't make a film bad. You expect it to be balanced because it's in the documentary catagory, but you wouldn't expect Star Wars to have a balanced perspective, it's 'sod the empire' the whole way through isn't it?
It is biased, but it's also very well put together. The screenplay, for example, and use of music, is excellent.
But, as with his other movies he does poke you into thinking about the topic.
Yes its bias, yes it may well be anti-bush propaganda, but if it makes some people think about the reasons for war its a good thing.
Why would he want to do that? He doesn't like Bush.
It's like challenging someone to a duel, and then offering to fight against yourself on your behalf.
Any reasons, other than the bias, you don't like the film? Are you a supporter of Bush?
That depends upon your reasons for the war.
Nothing is too biased to take notice of, in studying modern history you learn to classify things as primary and secondary sources based on where they came from and why. But Nazi propaganda isn't discounted because of what it is, just not given the same level as importance as say a swiss census on Nazi activity.
And despite ignoring all the opposing arguements, uses reliable accountable sources for those questions and subsequent arguements. Did you see the film?
Have a look at the website, they've got a list of sources for all their arguements there.
It may be biased, but I enjoyed it. Are people only allowed to enjoy things that you state are good? But Moore based his critique on facts.
It was a FACT that Iraq had never threatened the US (as he stated in the film). Can that be refuted?
I posted it on the other thread, but you can find all you need to by navigating around this site
What's the proof behind that?
it's not a question of whether we trusted him or not. What's important to remember is that he was so ill he would have died in the next decade anyway. And also that the better way of going about finding his cache of WMDs and banned weapons would be to continue with the inspections.
that's the point, he was co-operating, and we didn't wait for the situation to change.
That's what most people have a problem with, why were we in such a hurry?
If you think that's a good reason for the upheaval the UK and the US has caused, no just to iraqi's but also in the stock market, you are more ignorant than I ever imagined.
Please, for a change, think about where your opinons come from, and why, and then think about why you get that kind of response.
The stock markets are in disarray because oil is closing on $50 a barrel. This is a huge amount and is due to the crisis in Iraq. Did you know that Iraq is sitting on the second largest oil field in the world?
Iraq itself is in crisis because the US army are doing the equivalent of Muslims pissing on the vatican from their flying carpets by bombing Najaf. It is a HOLY CITY. The US army are doing nothing but pissing people off. Do you not wonder, that while Basra is quiet, northern Iraq is going up in flames? Perhaps the approach of the British armed forces would be more appropriate. Pulling back from Najaf would hardly be letting terrorists win, it's their country!
Not to mention the vast sums of cash we're and the US now are sending to the country to fix all the damage we did, and paying for all the inquiries because we were lied to by Blair and Bush.
Not everything in that film was a lie. Go read, 'Lies, and the lying liars that tell them' It's supposed to be a fair and balanced view (despite the title) of the right wing.