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Michael Moore
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I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 and I thought it was entertaining but very biased and sometimes just full of crap. What do you guys think?
Moore probably has some good points but its clouded by bullshit and manipulation of facts, he omits so many things to make a point and adds stupid "funny" music. He also edits out 2 second soundbites from 30 minute speeches to make people look stupid which is annoying.
For example in his new film he ridicules the Coalition in Iraq for being made up solely of crappy small countries; he completely misses out the fact that the UK, Italy, Spain, Poland and Portugal all went to war. He prefers to ridicule small countries like Holland (he shows a picture of a guy smoking up as he announces the name), Papua New guinea (he shows picture of a peasant on a cart), Morroco (a picture of hundreds of monkeys with the comment "apparently Morroco sent 300 MONKEYS to war!" :rolleyes: ).
In my opinion Bush is manipulative with the truth and has some sinister business connections.
But Michael Moore is cleverer than Bush and is even more manipulative with the truth and he's now a multimillionaire - to be honest I prefer Bush as a person, Moore is so full of himself and a lot of the time full of shit.
Moore probably has some good points but its clouded by bullshit and manipulation of facts, he omits so many things to make a point and adds stupid "funny" music. He also edits out 2 second soundbites from 30 minute speeches to make people look stupid which is annoying.
For example in his new film he ridicules the Coalition in Iraq for being made up solely of crappy small countries; he completely misses out the fact that the UK, Italy, Spain, Poland and Portugal all went to war. He prefers to ridicule small countries like Holland (he shows a picture of a guy smoking up as he announces the name), Papua New guinea (he shows picture of a peasant on a cart), Morroco (a picture of hundreds of monkeys with the comment "apparently Morroco sent 300 MONKEYS to war!" :rolleyes: ).
In my opinion Bush is manipulative with the truth and has some sinister business connections.
But Michael Moore is cleverer than Bush and is even more manipulative with the truth and he's now a multimillionaire - to be honest I prefer Bush as a person, Moore is so full of himself and a lot of the time full of shit.
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I'll reserve any other comment until I've actually seen it.
I guess it is because The United States needs something with a left wing Bias. All of the media over there is Neo-Conservative.
I havnt seen the film yet It isnt showing in my fecking town the bastards so im going to have to go elsewhere so I cant say anything
I am 6 pages into 'Dude, Wheres My Country?' though
I'd like to see the latest film though before I judge it.
of course it's biased ya bozo ...it's fucking politics!
He's as biased as Ann Coulter, it just depends which bias you would rather hear.
Plus I want to see him make Bush look like a tosspot
and he does. completely. it was always going to be a hugely biased film. it was advertised like that. however, i would be surprised if alot of what was said wasn't true.
eta: i actually really enjoyed the film too and would highly recommend it. however, if you are pro-bush then i wouldnt advise it. you will leave very angry.
He also twists the facts as I said and in some cases lies, such as when he claims that the coalition consisted only of tiny insignificant countries. He lists the countries in the coalition but leaves out the 10 biggest ones, including the UK.
He makes bush look like a moron (some would say not very hard to do) but he makes himself look like a moron too with his crap populist pseudo-documentary.
Aprt from the UK and the USA, the coalition DID consist of nothing countries. Holland and Spain are not exactly major world powers, and haven't been for 350 years.
The point I was making was not that spain, Italy, Poland, the Uk and the netherlands are in fact world powers, I was pointing out that Moore doesnt mention them AT ALL in his list. He claims that the coalition was made up by "monkeys from Morroco" and peasants from papua new guniea. Illustrated with silly music and newsreel footage of peasants, monkeys and a vampire (to illustrate romanias contribution). Hes full of crap.
Yeah he is. Id rather hear neither of them, theyre both full of crap.
He hasn't lied. He just failed to include facts.
It's not the same thing.
You could.
He still lowered unemployment.
Well sometimes he verges on lying.
He says "so who was in this mighty coalition then?"
Then doesn't answer his own question truthfully, he only gives half the answer when he knows the other half is extremely relevant and disproves his point.
Bush and Blair are no more liars than Micky Moore.
Is the outcome of the film a war?
If not, then I think I could argue your point quite easily.
Yes, Michael Moore's films are biased. He's polemic in his approach and will happily admit as much. But as an individual I believe that I have the responsibility to weight his comments up alongside those alternative to form my own opinions.
I do believe that much of what he says adds value to the discussions and his films are of huge value in the US where the media is particularly biased - as is much of the written media over here. WHat I found particulalry interesting was The Sun's "dissection" of the points he raised in his film. Very limited complaints they raised...
No, he is biased. It's not the same thing, and anyone watching a Michael Moore film thinking it was the undiluted truth is a fool.
ALL documentary makers use the same tactics. If a news team wants a story about, say, childhood drug taking, they will pay children some money to read a script. And people lap this up as "news".
Watch Drop the Dead Donkey and Yes, Minister, and see what I mean. They might be comedy programmes, but they are very accurate.
I don't have time for him to be honest.
Yeah he is, his films are emotive, populist trash. But there could well be a bit of truth behind all his crap.
He`s quite pathetic too sometimes. He wanted a song by the Who to feature in fahrenheit 9/11, he asked Pete Townshend to include it for a small fee, Townshend refused because it was far less than normal. Then Michael Moore proceeded to insult Townshend and call him pro-war in various interviews and articles he wrote. What a nob.