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I'm just watching the news and the news broadcaster woman throws a statistic at that preacher "9 out of 10 people break the chastity vow and then they are less likely to use contraception" so how does the preacher respond? "That statistic is not accurate". Hmmm :yeees: all the same he could have made a constructive comment I have seen this happen so much with those god fearing Americans - when you say something they don't like the sound of they don't beleive it exists!
Anyway, god save our teenagers from these preachers - in America they actually persuade people not to use contraception in some places because the church (which has a lot more influence I think) is anti-contraception. They say it doesn't work etc - like in Africa when the missionarys told the people that condoms didn't stop HIV, so people couldn't be bothered to use them! It's gone mad!
I'm just watching the news and the news broadcaster woman throws a statistic at that preacher "9 out of 10 people break the chastity vow and then they are less likely to use contraception" so how does the preacher respond? "That statistic is not accurate". Hmmm :yeees: all the same he could have made a constructive comment I have seen this happen so much with those god fearing Americans - when you say something they don't like the sound of they don't beleive it exists!
Anyway, god save our teenagers from these preachers - in America they actually persuade people not to use contraception in some places because the church (which has a lot more influence I think) is anti-contraception. They say it doesn't work etc - like in Africa when the missionarys told the people that condoms didn't stop HIV, so people couldn't be bothered to use them! It's gone mad!
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Evangelical Christians piss me off so much. I almost hope that there isn't a God just to see the looks on their pathetic faces when they die.
So I think the plan is that good, heterosexual Christians who abstain survive while everyone else dies.
Its a good thing, best form of contraception dontchaknow?
Lol, my thoughts exactly!
But abstinence is no bad thing...Shouldnt criticise people for preaching it!
"yes, you can have sex but it would show a tremendous amount of willpower on your part if you didn't. Not forgetting that you won't have to worry about pregnancy or disease".
That is far more likely to work than
"GOD WILL MAKE YOU BURN IN HELL IF YOU HAVE SEX"
Lol!
Their message is not a fundamentalist rant as you seem to think.
http://www.silverringthing.com/howfar.html
They espouse quite a positive message, theres no ranting about the fires of hell to kids. Just because their beliefs are Christian you seem to want to make them out as cult-like lunatics.
I saw a documentary about the founder of the Silver Ring Thing and he said that a large percentage of the people who signed up to the Silver Ring Thing did not end up abstaining until marriage and he recognised that it would be unrealistic to think they would. He said he felt that it still served a good purpose if he convinced the kids to wait and not give it away prematurely. Personally I think thats something good, regardless of what religious beliefs it may be motivated by.
It should be about people waiting to the right time and knowing hwo to be sensible, few people would agree that the right time is once you are married........
If an approach towards abstinence leads to less safe use whne people finally do have sex then that is dangerous........
However, US government funded church organisations teaching British kids?! Hmm, theres something suspect there.
The general message to kids should be, its best to wait to have sex with someone who you really care about (which might be marraige), and when you do, use a condom to make sure you dont get anything nasty.
Yeah that is one downside of teaching JUST abstinence, although I think that no sex until marriage is a good value to espouse a downside is that it might mean that safe sex teaching is neglected which can result in kids who end up not waiting less likely to know how to protect themselves.
There’s nothing wrong with US Christian groups preaching their message in the UK, they are just spreading their message. I don’t think this particular program will translate very well to the British teenage population though.
Yeah exactly, reinforce the idea that sex is special and you shouldn’t just throw away your virginity but don’t neglect safe sex education.
You reckon? I think they'd prefer to see a slightly more violent approach to the enforcement of their values.
And what the hell happened to the seperation of church and state in the US?
Well the silver ring thing arent allowed to preach christianity at shows that are state funded. They are only allowed to incorporate christian teachings at privately funded shows.
I think about two thirds of the shows are privately funded, not sure though.
I am not sure that this would be possible in modern society.
Popular culture is suffused with sex, often from young people.
When sexual images are used to seel products then doesn't this create the idea that sex is cool, reinforcing that young people want to have sex?
And most importantly when you do it, do it carefully! Its a fairly simple message really.
I think I can speak first hand since I am a 16 yr old virgin, the system in place at the moment seems to work for me. I know that if I did want to do it I wouldn't feel guilty about it for religious reasons, and that I would use contraception etc. This is from a mixture of pshe (physical social health education i think) lessons and visits from nurses etc who don't preach what's right or wrong; but lay down where the law stands, and what precautions you can take.
To be honest, if these bible bashers came to a typical yr 10 or 11 assembly and started spewing away how people were doing the 'wrong' thing by having sex - who would take them seriously. For one thing, people round my age (myself included) have a huge 'im right your wrong' complex, especially when it comes to adults telling them what they can and can't do.
British teenagers are, by and large, randy, arrogant, self-centered people (no offense intended) so will do what's right by them. Scare mongering does work - but not about God anymore because there are just too many people who don't beleive he's up there. Scare them with the threat of their willy falling off, or being left barren, or getting pregnant. That's why there is a large focus on STIs and pregnancy education. In my opinion we are doing fine and the Americans aren't needed.
They deserve to be treated as adults some of the time yet their descision making ability isnt that of an adult.
The PSHE when I was at school was dire, I'm glad to hear it is improving even a little.
Those who want to shag around, or are made to feel like they should, will. That is the way of the world; short of putting everyone in chastity belts nothing will change.
Which is a shame, I think promiscuity, whilst enjoyable, is incredibly undesirable. Although that depends on your viewopoint; I think sex in a solid relationship is a lot better than a random shag, but a lot of (misguided) people disagree.
It's a question of common sense and moderation, as with anything. There is nothing wrong with someone not being attached to anybody and having sex at weekends with people they meet- from a certain age and in certain circumstances naturally. I don’t think getting blind drunk and shagging strangers in a club’s toilets every weekend is a terribly good idea.
I cant really see anything wrong with it as such, as long as it between two consenting adults. But so often its linked with fairly desperate people and suspect choices.