If you need urgent support, call 999 or go to your nearest A&E. To contact our Crisis Messenger (open 24/7) text THEMIX to 85258.
Options
If..... the generations fall out
Jaded
Posts: 2,682 Boards Guru
I dont know if anyone has been watching the BBC Two series If... but there is one tonight on the generation gap and the increase of the elderly proportion of the population. The series is a bit alarmist and sensationalist, predicting what may happen in worst case scenarios, but it is an interesting prediction of future trends nonetheless. Here is a link to the page on the BBC website about it, in case anyone is interested in watching.
0
Comments
Yes so kids do rebel against their parents, it's a normal thing, but I think that many parents and people
Over 40 are actually a lot younger in their outlook that past generations.
This series is struggling to find things to talk about and they have picked a wrong-un here.
The media in general seems intent on driving a wedge between generations and fails to realise
That age is only a number and just because our bodies move faster than our age it doesn't mean
That 'Old' people are not aware of the same things the 'kids' are!
But then I would say that!!
However I do think there is a wider problem in that people no longer want to do the un-glamorous jobs that involve caring for people who need care, so there will be a shortfall and that will effect those in need whatever age they are.
i have noticed very recently, at least in the people i spend time with, that they are starting to get a bit disillusioned with all the fast car, fast life, big bucks kind of lifestyle, and are turning back towards wanting to make a difference to real people.
so you never know, we may well have a generation of carers on our hands.
For example there is currently a drive in the BBC to target the under 25 agegroup with certain programming. But I feel, at 33, that broadcasters set these benchmarks without really understanding that there are huge changes out there that mean 25 - 40 year olds actually feel more like they are in their twenties.
The old rules that the 'old' are devoid of fashion sense, taste or an interest in whats happening in 'youth' culture are wrong.
The pension they receive isn't very good anyway, but the council (in my experience) tend to prioritise their needs over the needs of others so at least they're safe in their houses as they can't defend themselves as much.
But I mean... what can you do? Not pay them their pensions? Cut it? Create a real life version of Logan's Run where everybody is killed off at a certain age?
I agree, with so many young people going to university with the hope of getting high paid jobs instead of lower paid jobs working with say... the elderly or people with disabilities. Maybe there are too many choices? Maybe too many people are brainwashed with the idea that if they go to university they will walk straight in to a high paid job?
You give the money to the government and they give it to others, they dont keep it for your old age.
So, as more pensioners start to get a pension, and there are percentage wise less workers to pay for them the answers become obvious.
A) Pay them less.
Niether options are very good. But luckily this coming generation are eating so badly they wont live long enough for it to be a concern.
My suggestion would be to scrap the whole idea of NI, its been a farce for years and to leave for more of it in the hands of the individual. If you have the opportunity to save and dont, well its your fault isnt it. Obviously though there should be some sort of safety net.
Aye, can't say I believe this generation will live to a massive age. Not with our diet, excercise... we are a generation of internet junkies and couch potatoes (meself included) and we're getting fatter and fatter. So maybe we won't live as long...
As for the affluent, maybe we should tax the rich more? After all a lot of these pensioners fought in the war and stuff, even if they do take ages in the shopping que in tescos pulling pennies outta their purse, they've already played a part to society.
I'm not a great fan of the idea of a higher tax bracket for the richest people, not because I really feel they will move elsewhere, although some might. But because what would be much more effective and fair would be just an extra 1% on each of the brackets. Whether that extra money should be spent on pensioners though is another matter.
Unfortunately I don't think its the university goers we have to worry about, many people with a degree end up doing jobs they never thought they would have to (teaching, nursing, working in benefit offices) because a degree really doesn't mean much these days.
Its the kids who decide they want to be famous and know they can rely on the state to pay their rent etc while they make a half arsed attempt to audition for Big brother that are the problem!!!!!
And that means all the old duffers getting in my way, whingeing about this, that or the other. Always moaning and complaining, and driving at 20mph on a sodding trunk road. There's too many old people as it is, the more I think about it the more I agree with the principle in Logan's Run, except the cut-off should be five years over my age. Obviously:p
Old men are a bit pervy. Old women are either really friendly or secret witches (yes, all bald with no toes!)
Nomi
XxxXxxX
Old men are a bit pervy. Old women are either really friendly or secret witches (yes, all bald with no toes!)
Nothing wrong with witches m'dear
I work behind a bar and see a lot of pervy old men. They smell of feet and look down yer top through coke bottle glasses whilst drinking their bitter.
I think in town we should separate pedestrianised areas, one side for old people to walk real slow and another for young people so we don't have to be stuck behind them when we shop
Is it a wave of suicide bombers?
Has Germany invaded France again?
No. It's Illegal immigrants coming to the rescue. Providing us with tax paying labour and a new generation of babies. If they can be encouraged to fill vacancies that is.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. I want a cat :crying:
Oy mister, you got owt worf nicking like ?
Do you feel lucky, make my day, punk!
a pc, a collection of old school vinyl and a copy of 'Fly-Fishing by J.R. Hartley
oops almost forget a songsheet of the 'Blaydon Races' and a map of Biggs Market
Hrm...
I find that odd that you lean towards the Logans Run idea and away from population control. At least encouraging women not to have children is different to killing people off at a certain age... isn't it? Well ya get what I mean.
I wouldn't say kill old people, but our taxes will indeed have to be raised and I know it sounds awful, but the health services are keeping some pensioners in a vegetable state, which is unfair on them because they can't do anything for themselves and unfair on us because we're paying for it.
Aye, the government sometimes I feel have got their heads so far up their arses with political correctness and a good image that they forget basic human rights. Isn't there a right to happiness? Or freedom?
Then wouldn't it be good of them to just let the person rest in peace? If their mind is practically dead then why keep them going?
C) Work until you are older
D) Continued economic immigration.
D) is happening already but C) will have to happen at some point.
The issue is also much wider than state pensions, the majority of pensions I beleive are private, the question is one of enough production occuring to finance the investment etc that pays pensions.....
My generation will have to work until we are 70 I reckon........
But, what you are suggesting strays into very dangerous territory, where do you draw the line and say, well, their not worth it anymore, lets kill them.
I think your right Mok, its not so much too many pensioners its more too few workers to pay for them.