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What do I need to back up, Toadborg?
The purpose of this forum is to debate issues. If nobody is willing to "make staements that go against what other epople are saying” (as you so eloquently put it), then it wouldn’t be a debate. Even though the proctologist statement was simply meant as a joke (A guy I work with who is openly gay thought it was funny. He even added “Make sure you don’t have two hands on your shoulders during the exam”), for the sake of this debate, I will “back up” the statement:
As it is my personal opinion that homosexuality is morally wrong, it would make me extremely uncomfortable knowing my proctologist (if I had one) was gay. This issue deals with me (and me only) on a very personal level. It is my right to choose whom I want or don’t want to provide this or any other medical service to me for whatever reason. It’s my body, my life. If you don’t have a problem with him being gay, cheers to you. You go see him.
Your statement only serves to remind me that many people who post here will look for ANYTHING that can be even remotely deemed as not politically correct. Upon carefully dissecting a post (or only reading enough of it to form a negative opinion of its entire content), they immediately run for the pitch forks and torches and demand that the poster be dragged kicking and screaming to the village square to be burned at the stake. Invest in a sense of humor. People who get all bent out of shape over petty issues or purposely look for reasons to get pissed off have heart attacks at young ages.
Toadborg, it seems to me that you are the kind of person who thinks that someone is beneath you if they do not share your point of view. That, sir, is truly a waste of space.
Care to further elucidate on why you consider homosexuality to be 'morally wrong' so i can get a proper feel for the reasons behind your previous statements?
However, the Church of England have just had a synod in Lambeth to debate gay bishops after the appointment of Gene Robinson as the first openly gay Anglican bishop in the States. Since homosexuality is condemned in the Bible as a sin, gay clergy have pretty well kept their sex lives to themselves - especially if they wanted to be promoted! So there have probably been countless gay bishops, but they were closeted and married or celibate.
So basically the Church have taken the decision that gay people are sinners and should not be allowed to lead a community if they are likely to teach that homosexuality is not sinful.
Do you follow me?
It's sad that the church have become so wrapped up in this and seem to have forgotten that their basic message is to follow God and all will be forgiven. I thought they were here to teach, not to condemn.
Edited to correct a typo and add this:
Guardian Unlimited : Special Reports - Gay Rights, which has a lot of info on the controversy over gay bishops.
And the last part makes the difference.
I may not agree with Hot Rob, because I don't feel uncomfortable around gay men, but that is his right.
BTW Would any bloke complain if a female doctor check your testicles? (assuming that you have gone with a related complaint that is...)
I'd also be interested in what moral template you refer to?
It seems to me that the Church bans gay bishops because they believe that the Bible condemns gay practice - but as paedophilia isn't mentioned in the Bible, paedophile priests are ok? Puzzling.
Why, out of interest? How can people loving each other be "morally wrong"?
true, but neither is the word homosexual/homosexuality in the original language it was written in, those words simply didn't exist back then. However the context of both is covered albeit in some places a little ambiguously.
I think what is importent is keeping the context and the overall message of the Bible in focus - that of love, forgivness, compassion, kindness, humility and so on. these are things that are/can be very difficult to do, whereas condemming someone for who they are becasue you don't like it is easy (and makes you feel superior etc - not a biblical teaching).
teachings on sexuality in the bible makes up relativley small amount of the overall message and is of minor significance. by contrast the debate in the church today is of major significance - talk about getting it all out of of balance
But then, there is the issue that, if most of the people in the church believe it to be wrong, who are we to tell them it isnt?
Actually, coming back to Becky's original post, the Church really are a discriminating employer. You have to be closeted or straight to get a promotion. :rolleyes: