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9/11 over 3,000 dead ...my thoughts are with them.
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On the morning of September 11 I watched aircraft flying overhead. Minutes later I heard explosions and saw fireballs of smoke fill the sky. As a result of these attacks thousands died, including two good friends.
I am not writing about September 11 2001 in New York City. I am writing about another September 11 - an equally horrible one - in 1973. The planes I saw were warplanes and their target was the presidential palace in Santiago, Chile.
On September 11 1973 Salvador Allende resided in the Chilean presidential palace. He was the first freely elected socialist leader in the world, and ever since his victory in September 1970, the CIA and the US government, headed by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, were determined to oust Allende and his Popular Unity coalition.
It was on September 11 1973 that they succeeded. Led by General Augusto Pinochet, the Chilean military overthrew Allende, who died in the presidential palace. More than 3,000 people perished in the bloody repression that followed under Pinochet's rule, including two American friends of mine, Charles Horman and Frank Terrugi.
this led to hundreds being rounded up and herded into football stadiums where they were executed by firing squad. thankyou america for your anti democracy stances around the world and your death squads.
In Central America, Reagan called thousands of former soldiers of Somoza's national guard "freedom fighters" as they fought the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. And when the Sandinistas went to the world court to press charges against the US for sending special operatives to bomb its port in Corinto, Reagan withdrew from the court, refusing to acknowledge the rule of international law.
the inocent that died in new york have their evil anti democracy leaders to thank.
I am not writing about September 11 2001 in New York City. I am writing about another September 11 - an equally horrible one - in 1973. The planes I saw were warplanes and their target was the presidential palace in Santiago, Chile.
On September 11 1973 Salvador Allende resided in the Chilean presidential palace. He was the first freely elected socialist leader in the world, and ever since his victory in September 1970, the CIA and the US government, headed by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, were determined to oust Allende and his Popular Unity coalition.
It was on September 11 1973 that they succeeded. Led by General Augusto Pinochet, the Chilean military overthrew Allende, who died in the presidential palace. More than 3,000 people perished in the bloody repression that followed under Pinochet's rule, including two American friends of mine, Charles Horman and Frank Terrugi.
this led to hundreds being rounded up and herded into football stadiums where they were executed by firing squad. thankyou america for your anti democracy stances around the world and your death squads.
In Central America, Reagan called thousands of former soldiers of Somoza's national guard "freedom fighters" as they fought the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. And when the Sandinistas went to the world court to press charges against the US for sending special operatives to bomb its port in Corinto, Reagan withdrew from the court, refusing to acknowledge the rule of international law.
the inocent that died in new york have their evil anti democracy leaders to thank.
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But what would the world be like without stupid anti-democracy rights people etc? Would it become instable because of a lack of rigidity somewhere? Or just a haven for all?
I confuse myself. I never knew about the Chilean stuff thanks for telling me that's :eek:
Still my feelings are with the innocent who perished on september 11th 2 years ago; at no fault of their own.
Yes, but this thread was dedicated to the Chilean population who got tortured in the worst possible ways. Reason for this thread (I guess) is cause it's a mark date today. Exactly 30 years ago since Pinochet gained power from Allende.
Btw, MR, I'd appericiate it, if you wouldn't drag victims from the 11th of Sept in NY into this. There's a time and place for showing dislike to a government, and I really don't think that's the case when memorising the victims.
Other case with Chile as the states gave their support to Pinochet cause of their fear of Communism.
how about remembering the untold hundreds of thousands of innocent dead civilians in afghanistan and iraq ...slaughterd by the most ferocious of weapons of mass destruction... i hope their deaths are as important to you all.
*the states gave their support to Pinochet cause of their fear of Communism. *
wrong ...they did not give support...they started the whole process .. they were out raged that a democracticaly elected government ...a long way from north america ...turned out to be a socialist one ...not comunist ...and here was me thinking democracy was where people voted in a party of their choice ...but only if america agree with that choice.
and 9/11 is a very good time to air some grievances. many american families who lost loved ones are doing just that ...today.
I don't mean to drag anybody down, but at times like this people only remember those in the West who have died, seemingly disreguarding other people dying all over the world and those who have died.
It just annoys me how people don't seem to reguard these people as so important. And I don't have a problem with the people of the incident, they're as human as anybody.
MR, Americans were afraid of communism gaining control in their own country, and for them Socialism is not very different from that.
*MR, Americans were afraid of communism gaining control in their own country, and for them Socialism is not very different from that. *
so if america gets scared or missunderstands its ok to send in the bombers and the death squads? what your saying is america hate democracy ...the will of the people in another country must match the will of the people in america ...or you get herded into the football stadiums of death!
I just thought that this was a thread in memory of the Chilean people who were hurt during Pinochet's government. That's all.
a thread in memory of all the millions america have ilegaly and imoraly killed ...to get some balance. the death of inocent people is always sad but why do people who die in america desrve more respect, more sympathy, more airtime than the millions of others elswhere in the world?
And to be honest in some years from now, this won't be that much of a big deal anymore. For now, there are still no answers explaining in detail why, which is what triggers people to react the way they do.
it was a shocking event but it gets right up my nose when people get all emotional and almost demand that everyone does the same.
are you actualy holding one minute silences for the millions dying from malnutrition ...no, are you bollox. do you realize your emotions and memories are almost being manipulated by big brother, the media etc.
some old lady walking 20 miles for a bucket of water ...only to find her family massacred by the time she gets back isn't quite as exciting as planes crashing into buildings is it?
charitable donations have plumeted since the the lottery came into being ...cos most people it seems would rather gamble that quid ...at odds of 14,000,000 to 1 ...for the chance of a truck full of dosh. so they can live like kings.
and heres me thinking we already lived in luxury compared to over two thirds of the worlds population.
ok rant over ...i'll let you go about your dailys now.
Nice thought. But everyone prefers to donate to different charities, depending on what they feel a bigger connection to. As long as people donate to something, it's always an improvement.
and mine are with the thousands of people killed by a brutal regime in Iraq.
Your point is?
All Govts have skeletons in their closets, sadly because of it's power, the US is target number one for certain segments of the public.
Certainly the Govts of Zimbabwe, Pakistan, India, Russia, Syria, Libya etc ad nauseum have also committed atrocities. So why do we just get hung up on one?
@ Jacqueline. I think I understand MR's point here. We have a day which is getting huge publicity. The deaths of thousands in the WTC/Pentagon attacks is something which is being marked.
Hidden though is an event which happenned on the same date. Something which the US isn't so keep to publicise or seek sympathy for. What MR has done here is bring a little balance to that.
I don't think he meant to "diss" the people who died, more to mark the fact that countless others have also died, people who shouldn't be forgotten either.
A lot of countries including our own have something in their history to be ashamed of, we should acknowledge this and educate ourselves and our children about this.
I agree that an international rememberence day should be recognised.
I don't agree that it should be 11/9. It just smacks too much of having a US lead. When you consider their track history that would be an insult to thousands...
Wise words!
I see what you mean, any day would do as long as we did it. Just think what just one day of education and dialogue would do, especially within schools and other educational establishments.
But then again it may cause young people to think and ask questions so I can't see the politicians being too keen.
Sadly Jacq, whilst more Americans may be realising this to some degree as time goes by, the numbers still show the efficacy of Fox News and other corporate US media at keeping the public largely deluded as to the attrocities committed by or supported by Washington outside the country.
Do not presume that most Americans take the time to research world events as many on these boards do, its simply not true.
How many Germans didn't know about extermination camps?
How many Libyans, do you think, knew that their Govt supported terrorism? (as examples)
etc etc etc
Once again, hung up on the US
Try to stick to the country in question. A country I might add, as a citizen, I have a right to decry for pursuing wrongful policies, now and in the past.
If you want to discuss Germny's or Libya's past or current policies, go find some Libyans or Germans to discuss it with.
The original basis yes, but I think that you'll find the discussion had moved on a little.
Do try to keep up. I know you are going away fopr the weekend