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to give consent someone has to have the capacity to give it this is called informed consent.
Informed consent is a process. Information must be presented to enable persons to voluntarily decide whether or not to participate in an activity.
It is a fundamental mechanism to ensure respect for persons through provision of thoughtful consent for a voluntary act.
The procedures used in obtaining informed consent should be designed to inform the person in terms that they can understand.
consent needs to be explicit, not implicit and the people consenting need to understand the full implications of their actions / activity
explicit consent when sex between 2 consenting adults is about to take place does not necessarily mean verbally agreeing it but certain actions leading upto the act are explicitly giving consent - ie foreplay, getting out a condom and so on.
and how does the dog show its giving consent, simply by getting an errection? and are you saying every time you got an errection you are consenting to sex?
How would the animal express its complaint? Are animals capable of reasoning and rational behaviour?
*bangs head against wall*
Have you not read or understood anything I've written?
How can a dog give consent? It can't. End of argument. :rolleyes:
Thank god there is someone on this board with an ounce of brains.
So, no words have to be passed, just active participation?
We are talking "should gay marriage be made legal" so can we not just talk about that
thats not quite what I said, is it?
in many cases consent requires reading information and signing a form, or giving verbal consent based on read or heard information presented.
but in the case of sex, if active participation takes place from both parties then no words need to passed.
I didn't mention that given consent can be withdrawn at any point. and in the case of sex at that point it can no longer be consenting sex and if the other party continues it must be something else - ie sexual assult/rape
my post was really aimed at the post that said if a dog/animal gets an errection it is consenting to sex which is as stupid as saying everytime a cat on heat rubs your leg you can have sex with it if you want.
sorry becky
to answer the question
yes
if a government and society (in general) has deemed homosexual relationships legal then what is the big deal about making samesex marriage right/possible- to not is just hypocritical.
But can't you see the discrepancies in those two statements.
If the dog continues to act, isn't that suggesting that they are "consenting" to the act?
I must admit, I'm confused about that as well.
yes in a way, but how do we know that a an animal with an errection is consenting to sex
i think we should leave the animals out of this and if you want to continue this start a new thread about animals giving consent
Women can be raped and have a sexual response. Does that mean rape is OK?
We are humans not animals so I still dont buy that to be honest.
Also homosexuality is not always classed as *normal*. I have seen many people who are disgusted with it so its by no means classed as normal by the whole of society.
Any new plans they bring out regardless of what the plans are for be it seat belt laws, homosexual marriage etc initially you will have lots of people for and then lots against but after a time it becomes more acceptable even to those who first opposed. I suppose they lean to accept it and the issue is not going to go away, they have to grin and bear it
Why not? Isn't consent the issue there as well?
Well, you have some very strange views then. Do you really think a dog is aware what it is doing in that case? Do you think that its not just a biological programmed response?
Well I haven't a clue what you're going on about then.
At last you get it.
A dog has no concept of consent. The concept of consent is a human one and implies some degree of choice and free will. Therefore you cannot say that a dog "consents". Its a meaningless statement.
Eh?
You seem to have gone from saying that a dog can consent to having sex with a human to saying that a dog can't.
I give up. This is like banging my head against a particularly thick brick wall.
Don't take my harsh style personally, I'm like that with most peeps.