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Originally posted by Kermit *despairs*
About consent- consent is not something that is obtained beforehand, it is something that is imlicitly given whilst performing the act- the lack fo consent is the issue in sexual abuse cases, not the having of consent.
Originally posted by Kermit
So, why cannot a male animal consent to having sex with a human female- it gets hard, it penetrates, it orgasms. I don’t see the animal complaining.
Originally posted by Kermit So if the dog consents to sleep with the woman its perfectly OK?
Originally posted by hobbs to give consent someone has to have the capacity to give it this is called informed consent.
Informed consent is a process. Information must be presented to enable persons to voluntarily decide whether or not to participate in an activity.
It is a fundamental mechanism to ensure respect for persons through provision of thoughtful consent for a voluntary act.
The procedures used in obtaining informed consent should be designed to inform the person in terms that they can understand.
consent needs to be explicit, not implicit and the people consenting need to understand the full implications of their actions / activity
explicit consent when sex between 2 consenting adults is about to take place does not necessarily mean verbally agreeing it but certain actions leading upto the act are explicitly giving consent - ie foreplay, getting out a condom and so on.
and how does the dog show its giving consent, simply by getting an errection? and are you saying every time you got an errection you are consenting to sex?
How would the animal express its complaint? Are animals capable of reasoning and rational behaviour?
Originally posted by hobbs explicit consent when sex between 2 consenting adults is about to take place does not necessarily mean verbally agreeing it but certain actions leading upto the act are explicitly giving consent - ie foreplay, getting out a condom and so on.
Originally posted by Man Of Kent So, no words have to be passed, just active participation?
Originally posted by BeckyBoo Im confused as to why animals are getting brought into it.
We are talking "should gay marriage be made legal" so can we not just talk about that
Originally posted by hobbs but in the case of sex, if active participation takes place from both parties then no words need to passed.
...if a dog/animal gets an errection it is consenting to sex which is as stupid as saying everytime a cat on heat rubs your leg you can have sex with it if you want.
Originally posted by Man Of Kent But can't you see the discrepancies in those two statements.
If the dog continues to act, isn't that suggesting that they are "consenting" to the act?
Originally posted by Man Of Kent If the dog continues to act, isn't that suggesting that they are "consenting" to the act?
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
becky, the point of bringing animals into this is the question of why is homosexuality "normal" and accepted by society, when other deviations from common sexual preferences, such as bestiality, are viewed with disgust.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
but as plans are being tabled for homosexual marriage to become legal, it would suggest that a large number of people believe this to be acceptable.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth don't you dare start bringing rape into this.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth a dog mounting of its own free will is consenting IMHO.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth it has nothing to do with it because consent is not the goddamn issue here, but you are refusing to see that.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth and as for my very strange views, dogs don't think like people. dogs don't mate with other dogs for pleasure, or to enhance their relationship - they do it on a purely procreational basis. as you say, it's a pre-programmed, instinctive response, so to apply human thoughts and feelings to it is absurd.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth no, no, no!
oh god i really give up.
what i am saying is that you should not apply human standards of consent to a dog, because dogs do not behave in the same manner, and do not have the same issues. a dog consents by mating.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth that's my point. therefore the issue of consent does not apply.
Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth i've done no such thing. i've said that since you cannot apply human standards to a dog, the standards don't apply.
a dog can consent, by copulating, but as it cannot consent in the sense that a human can, the issue is irrelevant.