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Well, an animal certainly can't ....
I would question how we would be able to prove that they were willing - bearing in mind that sometimes even willing heterosexual partners change their story after the fact.
It turns my stomach, personally, because neither appeals to me but I would also be interested in people's reasoning as to why it should be prevented...
Hello? Are we are the same planet? Do you really think an animal can make an informed choice about sex?
An animal may go through the sexual motions with a human because it can be "encouraged" to do so but it certainly cannot make an informed choice or judgment on it's actions. It is just instinct. And neither can small children. Just because animals and children are sexual doesn't mean that it is right to use them or that they are ready for sex.
By sexually manipulating the dog, you can make it want to shoot it's load - by any means possible. It's instinctive. It doesn't care if it's a man, woman, child, dog or any other animal. Normal human adults can judge on attraction, age and consent.
Children are sexual - children often love to play with their genitals because of the good feeling it gets. But going by your argument, sex with children would be ok just because they are enjoying it? That's a bit sick.
Designed? eh?
Rubbish. What about a married heterosexual couple who never have kids. Is that not a real marriage? :rolleyes:
Very slippery ground there. Leaving aside issues of consent, the use of your terms "natural" vs "unnatural" are nonsense philosophically speaking. A false binary opposition, a mere cultural construct.
Anyway, how do you explain homosexuality in the animal kingdom?
Oh for fucks sake, you're bonkers. You can't put human values of "right" and "wrong" on what goes on with animals. :rolleyes: And by your previous arguments, if its "natural", its OK yeah?
Your thinking is as clear as mud.
Absurd question. How can you prove an animal gave consent?
But with children, its not as clear cut. Is a 16 year old sleeping with a 15 year old child abuse? What about a 20 year old and a 15 year old? Or a 30 year old (Bill Wyman anyone?)? Its about abuse of power more than anything I reckon...
But children can't make informed judgments on what is right or wrong and in their best interests. So if they say "yes", it doesnt mean that it is right. Most abused children probably say "yes" anyway because of fear or perhaps the need to feel loved ....
You may not harm them physically but you have no idea how you may be harming them mentally (children or animals).
And if using an animal (or child) to achieve your own personal sexual satisfaction is deemed ok, where have your drawn your own personal line as a matter of interest?
As someone earler said - what planet are you on? How can an animal give informed consent?
And as I said - its a difficult one. 16 and 15 is more likely to be consensual than 30 and 15. There would usually be a power imbalance between a 30 year old and a 15 year old I'd have thought. 15 year old children are (usually) very impressionable and easily manipulated.
I haven't read anything that explains how an animal can give informed consent. Maybe you could explain it to me again?
So what age is a child in this case? What upper age are you talikng about?
So are you saying an 8 year old can make the same judgment call as an adult?
p.s. I'm not trying to be obstructive - I'm genuinely trying to understand you here.
I agree that people mature at different rates, but (apart from obvious learning disabilities etc), there is no way that an 8 year old and an 18 year old have the same views on sex.
Can you give me a scenario for example?
This is like arguing with tree. :rolleyes: How can you prove that the dog gave consent? The dog is merely following instinct (as has been already pointed out), a dog is not self aware enough to give informed consent (nothing to do with legal issues).
Now tell me again - how can a dog give consent?