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bush n blair

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
is blair up bushes arse?? or is he scared off him??
or do u think that he does actually think that all this crap that were doing is a good thing?

i think hes a flippin idiot who needs to think for himself for once and think about other people rather than votes!! or better yet just resign!!

what do u think?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that Blair is maintaining the strong relationship that we've always had with our most powerful ally. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He certainly isn't "up Bush's arse", as you so charmingly put it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh he's up there all right, as far as his lying sycophant smooth talk can get him.

    Stongest ally eh? Try political puppet masters. :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I used to think that Blair was wrong but at least he believed he was taking the best course of action. Now I just simply think that like Bush, Blair doesn't give a damn about the welfare of the Iraqis and has acted purely on his agenda.

    Someone has told Blair the never-ending myth about the "special relationship" that is supposed to exist between Britain and the US, and the man has somehow come to think Britain is best served by abandoning our friends and neighbours and embarking in whatever imperialistic missions the mad murdering Texan wishes to embark in.

    Blair has turned up to be a US poodle of unprecedented willingness. Even US-fundamentalists like Thatcher knew where to stop, or at least didn't show their willingness to run at the feet of the US President with their tongues hanging out and tails waving.

    Incredibly Britain hasn't even been 'rewarded' with anything for its humiliating submission to the US (as opposed to other nations which at least got financial or military aid for supporting the war on Iraq). Blair has surrendered further military and logistical independence to the Americans. He has agreed to let the Yanks install early listening stations in Britain for their completely pointless and useless yet highly dangerous missile defence shield. Guess what country would be attacked first by any nation planning on destroying the American defence shield... Thanks a lot Tony!

    In short, Blair's willingness to kiss Bush's arse has made Britain the laughing stock of the world as well as earned us the distrust and hatred of dozens of nations, groups and individuals. And for what?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He's praying that BP will earn some fatcat contracts out of all this, undoubtedly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    For a moment I thought you'd been 'hacked' and someone had changed your avatar and sig without your knowledge Clan! ;)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hehe, wondered how long it would be before someone picked up on it. Just felt the need for a change and couldnt resist puttin ol Strongbad in there.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I want to have faith in the Blair governement. I did vote for them after all. But it's very hard when in everything we do we seem to take this "sitting on the fence" position, and never have our own stand on anything. As far as Iraq is concerned, I believe that there were justified reasons behind it, but the way they handled it in terms of telling the public what was going on, was just abysmal. One thing that's got to be done, far more important than the relationship between Bush/Blair IMO, is sort out the PR department!!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by squat_tom
    He certainly isn't "up Bush's arse"

    he been so far up he's come right out and now he's just covered in american crap
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by hobbs
    he been so far up he's come right out and now he's just covered in american crap

    :lol::D
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Of course Blair is up Bush's arse. Worse he didn't even get this country any benefits from our being an American aircraft carrier. Instead he's let our troops die in an illegal war in the Middle East, made us a top terrorist target and generally sold this country down the river. All for his own vanity because he loves being centre-stage, rushing onto all those aeroplanes for meetings with his master and being on news bulletins all over the world. The sooner Blair is out of office the better.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How many times has this thread been repeated?

    The Iraq war was morally right , of that there is no doubt. The reshaping of the middle East into a region of democracys has begun.

    Blair is simply supporting our closest and most important ally.

    To be honest , Id rather be friends with the USA and its hyperpower strength , moral mission to export democracy and anti-imperialistic values than the EU , with its do-nothing attitude to the problems of the world and pathetic condescending attitude to those across the pond.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOL. I must say this is the first time ever I have seen the words 'moral' and 'anti-imperialistic' linked to the US government.

    Frankly, to call the Bush administration 'moral' and 'anti-imperialistic' is equivalent to calling Adolph Hitler 'a good and tolerant man'.

    And let's not even talk about the "condescending attitude" of the country that has insulted, bullied, punished, boycotted or threatened every single nation in the world that dared oppose its will.

    The US government is currently the most corrupt, violent, selfish, disruptive and plain dangerous power in the world. Why anyone would want to be associated with that bunch of murdering corrupt scumbags is beyond me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    moral mission to export democracy and anti-imperialistic values than the EU

    ROFLMAO! Someone is in need of a real education in US politics and the monolithic corporations that drive it.

    Al you have the right of it, even longtime political pundits working within the beltway would fall over laughing at claims that the US agenda is either moral or anti-imperialistic.

    Anyone believing that we are exporting democracy hasnt paid much attention to the news nor has any clue about how completely unrepresentative of the will of the Iraqi or Afghani people our "administrative councils" are both in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by squat_tom
    I think that Blair is maintaining the strong relationship that we've always had with our most powerful ally. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He certainly isn't "up Bush's arse", as you so charmingly put it.

    Strong relationship? Powerful ally? Nothing wrong with that?

    Let me illustrate how dedicated the US is to Britain:

    The EU banned imports of bananas from Haiti because of moral concerns. The ban was led by the French and Germans. We supported it. Guess how they got back at the EU?

    Youd think theyd stop French wine imports. Or maybe German sausage imports. Oh no. They banned imports of Scottish cashmere. Because thatll teach the French and Germans a lesson they wont forget in a hurry!

    What do you mean that half of Scotland was shafted as a result? What do you mean that thats a bad thing? Surely not- the Americans wouldnt shit on us as soon as it suited them to?

    Americans as powerful allies. Americans as strong friends.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    The Iraq war was morally right , of that there is no doubt.

    Actually, theres quite a lot of fucking doubt. :mad:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Iraqi council is far far more representative and democratic than any government Iraq has ever had , it is representative of almost all Iraq ethnic and cultural groups.

    The American government is finally doing something very selfless , it doesnt have to sort out the worlds problems , it could just as well leave the whole stinking , fetid place to rot , but it doesnt.

    The Bush administration is one of the most active and forward-thinking governments America has ever had.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There was absolutely nothing wrong with the War on Iraq. An evil maniac who posed a serious threat to our well-being was removed from power. The people of Iraq have been liberated. I know that they are a little crazy at the moment, but wouldn't you be if you'd just been released from years of oppresive rule?

    Gaining control of Iraq's oil reserves is an added bonus, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. Oil is just as essential as water or land, and plenty of wars have been fought to conserve and control those essentials. This was just the same.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    The Iraqi council is far far more representative and democratic than any government Iraq has ever had , it is representative of almost all Iraq ethnic and cultural groups.

    The American government is finally doing something very selfless , it doesnt have to sort out the worlds problems , it could just as well leave the whole stinking , fetid place to rot , but it doesnt.

    The Bush administration is one of the most active and forward-thinking governments America has ever had.

    Moral, selfless, anti-imperialistic - the American government? Anymore oxymorons you'd care to produce?

    I should imagine the council is fully representative of the American government's tacit ambitions. Ambitions that if left unchallenged will do more damage than any terrorists.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    The American government is finally doing something very selfless , it doesnt have to sort out the worlds problems , it could just as well leave the whole stinking , fetid place to rot , but it doesnt.

    What? Who put Saddam in power in the first place, after engineering a coup that toppled the beginngs of a democratic society? Who supplied the technology for his chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programmes? Who was delibarately holding back urgent medical supplies under the guise of sanctions in the 90's? The U.S. thats who.
    Scott Ritter (for 5 years a senior weapons inspector) stated that Iraq had dismantled or destroyed its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programme by 1998. Why did we go to war?
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    The Bush administration is one of the most active and forward-thinking governments America has ever had.

    Are you on crack? :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who was delibarately holding back urgent medical supplies under the guise of sanctions in the 90's? The U.S. thats who.

    Those would be UN sanctions , bub.
    Who supplied the technology for his chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programmes?

    That would be the French , actually.
    Why did we go to war?

    We went to war to liberate a people under the brutal rule of one of the most evil men in history , a man who had used weapons of mass distruction against his neighbours , and against his own people. To disarm a maniac who had threatened Israel and the West with his weapons.

    Less people were killed in both Gulf wars , than 1% of how many people Saddam killed in his time in power.

    Democratic government is being born in Iraq , and it will spread to other Arab nations and peoples.
    Are you on crack?

    No , are you? Try thinking of the long term for once.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    Those would be UN sanctions , bub.

    No, it was the U.S. dominating the UN. The UN's Co-ordinator of Humanitarian Relief to Iraq, Denis Halliday, resigned in 1998 as a protest against the U.S. led embargo. The next person, Hans Von Sponeck, to hold the post, resigned in 2000 for the very same reason. Two days later, Jutta Burghardt, head of the World Food Programme in Iraq, another UN agency, also resigned.
    Kofi Annnan himself criticised the U.S. backed policy, saying that he delays and vetoes were "seriously impairing the effective implementation of the [Oil for Food] programme."

    Source: John Pilger - Paying the Price
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    That would be the French , actually.

    No, the U.S. (and the UK) again. A company based in Maryland, called American Type Culture Collection supplied a lot of cultures for biological weapons to Iraq in the 90's.

    Source: John Pilger - Paying the Price
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    We went to war to liberate a people under the brutal rule of one of the most evil men in history , a man who had used weapons of mass distruction against his neighbours , and against his own people. To disarm a maniac who had threatened Israel and the West with his weapons.

    No, we went to war when a former puppet dictator of the U.S. refused to play ball anymore.
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    Less people were killed in both Gulf wars , than 1% of how many people Saddam killed in his time in power.

    And more people have been killed by U.S. backed sanctions than Saddam killed.
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    Democratic government is being born in Iraq , and it will spread to other Arab nations and peoples.

    I see no evidence.
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    No , are you? Try thinking of the long term for once.

    Why don't you take your head out of your arse and look at whats going on, rather than beleiving the propaganda of a corrupt U.S. regime.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Those would be UN sanctions , bub.

    Which, if you studied anything of substance beyond the right wing drivel and half-truths that you so ceaselessly champion, you would know were on more than one occasion blocked in the SC by Washington (yes the shame of the Clinton administration sadly) when calls for their removal were tabled.

    These sanctions were consistently held in place by both the US and UK govs actually.
    That would be the French , actually.

    As wrong as ever there Mat, that would be the US and UK predominantly. The French sold hardware as did the Germans, but neither on hardware nor on Bio/Chem weapons precursors, the bank guarantees to finance research and the technical expertise for converting to weapons grade readiness, neither the French nor the Germans hold a candle to either the US or UK govs and their MIC indutries and financiers.

    Best you go back and do some proper research on the subject...

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/printable534798.shtml

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/12/Saddam_Rumsfeld.html

    http://www.counterpunch.org/boles1010.html

    http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/119547.php

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

    Just to get you started should you wish to learn the truth, but youre free to continue in your Murdoch inspired anti-French tirade if fallacy is your preference.
    We went to war to liberate a people under the brutal rule of one of the most evil men in history , a man who had used weapons of mass distruction against his neighbours , and against his own people. To disarm a maniac who had threatened Israel and the West with his weapons.

    We went to war on false pretexts, under the guise of humanitarian rescue to gain strategic and regional domination in a corporate coup of international proportions. It was the long awaited execution of a campaign which was schemed and contrived in the heart of the Pentagon as far back as 1992 by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz.

    Its no liberation, its occupation and manipulation for plunder.

    Your tenacity to remain deluded by the spin of demonstrated liars is mind boggling.
    Democratic government is being born in Iraq , and it will spread to other Arab nations and peoples

    A satellite sycophant regime is being cooked up by irrelevant Dearborn Michigan cohorts of Bush and co with the wishes of the Iraqis largely ignored. Thus the legitimate and unsurprising backlash of people fightin back against foreign oppression. Something ive little doubt youd be doing from your rooftop if it were Arab troops occupying your town/city/neighbourhood.

    No, democracy arises from the people it cannot be imposed or exported with guns or bombs and expected to flourish unless the indigenous people have themselves expressed the deisre for it. And even then, the present situation only reinforces the fact that what Washington thinks it can ladel on people is a system so orchestrated by Washington in its implementation and guidelines that the final product can be nothing other than the creation of a satellite dependency.

    That is neither self determination nor democracy.
    Try thinking of the long term for once

    It s quite clear that it is in fact your right wing heros who have shown the lack of advance planning, understanding of the minds and will of the Iraqi people (or the Afghanis for that matter), or the image of yet another US destruction rampage in that region and the further hate it will inspire.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by squat_tom
    There was absolutely nothing wrong with the War on Iraq. An evil maniac who posed a serious threat to our well-being was removed from power.

    How? was he gonna send all those WMDs they cant find over by carrier pigeon opr something, cos the missiles he had would barely hit Kuwait, let alone the UK.

    The people of Iraq have been liberated...from years of oppresive rule

    Oh, go tell it to the Nicaraguans. Or the Burmese. Or the Haitians. Or the Chileans.

    Gaining control of Iraq's oil reserves is an added bonus, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

    No, theres nothing at all wrong with a country raping anotehr sovereign state of all its natural wealth. Nothing at all wrong.

    And people wonder why people are prepared to blow themselves up to attack America :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta, Clan and Kermit have already answered everything I would have commented on, but may I pick on one thing.
    Originally posted by The Matadore
    Less people were killed in both Gulf wars , than 1% of how many people Saddam killed in his time in power.
    Is that so? Let me put my pedant cap on, but that estimation is slightly off the mark. The first Gulf War alone caused more than 100,000 Iraqi casualties. We don't have confirmation of numbers for the second Gulf War but civilian casualties alone are around 7,000 and from what the US itself has told us it is safe to say around 15,000 soldiers at least have perished. So that's 122,000 as a very conservative estimate, probably closer to 140,00. But let's stick to the lower figure. And let's not include the 500,000 people killed as a result of the sanctions. Or the victims of depleted uranium shells- 100,000+ children born with hideous deformities.

    So if that is 1% of how many people Saddam has killed that means Hussein himself has bagged more than 12m people. Not bad. Not bad at all.

    He must have done a lot of killing of late, because according to figures given before operation Enduring Bollocks the figure was between 800,000 and 1m... and that includes victims of the Iran-Iraq war if I'm not mistaken.

    Presumably in 6 months' time as the WMDs continue to remain "hidden" and Iraq has descended into ever greater anarchy we will be told Saddam had in fact killed 50m people, thus officially becoming the Most Evil Dictator in the History of the Universe, and God bless Bush and Blair for ridding the Universe of a man more evil than Satan himself (copyright South Park B.L.U.).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    that means Hussein himself has bagged more than 12m people. Not bad. Not bad at all.

    That really is uber-villain class. Not even Hitler managed a knock like that. Were talking the sort of Idi Amin meets Pol Pot sort of evil now. With knobs on.

    God Bless America!

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    *salutes*
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