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generic anti BNP thread #227

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
I was just wondering, does anyone know if the BNP have any views on anything other than immigration? You never seem to hear them. Those leaflets you get through the post have nothing to do with the police, education, healthcare etc. , it's all " The New Labour government have lost control of the immigration system. England is for the English. " and that famous line " We aren't a racist party, but...."
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes they have a full range of policies on all of the issues..The reason you rarely hear them is because they arent worth the price of the paper they would be printed on.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They have lots of policies on crime and punishment. Theyd amke a Saudi prince blush, but they still ahve them...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if they ever get in power you can guarantee racism won't be a problem.









































    hatred amd intolerance to a very wide range of people would ensue. being black might not be the worst position to find yourself in ...being a leftwinge socialist might be seen as being even worse than having a black skin. being gay would be a real no no.
    so if your black lean to the left and are gay ...head for the hills ...i won't be far behind you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BNP have other policies on issues other than race or immigration.

    For example their economic policies are to the left of New Labour. They advocate greater emphasis on manufacturing and are quite protectionist in terms of trade.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The BNP have got some good policies on topics other than race, it is just that they are far to extreme on some of them. Like bringing back compulsory national service and hanging. A lot of people though agree with their tough stance of terrorism for example. They aim to put a stop to Northern Irsih terrorism by cracking down really hard on terrorists from both sides with hanging for all terrorist crimes by whichever side and no appeasment of terrorism like Blair's releasing of convicted terrorists as part of the peace proccess.

    The National Front splinter groups the National Democrats and the Third Way have the best policies of all the right wing parties but are much smaller than the BNP. They have also ditched compusory repatriation in favour of the more realistic policy of building a white homeland.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anyone who thinks that the BNP have anything good about them at all is kidding themselves. They are a Nazi party, pure and simple.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Luckily Rockwell the majority of people in this country think hanging is an abomination.

    And to date there hasn't been a single case in human history when police/military brutality alone has defeated terrorism. Have a look at Chechnya and Israel if you don't believe me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    They are a Nazi party, pure and simple.

    Theyll build good roads and get the trains to run on time then:p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rockwell
    The BNP have got some good policies on topics other than race

    This is already shaping up to be good...

    it is just that they are far to extreme on some of them. Like bringing back compulsory national service and hanging.

    Bet thats only cos youd have top do NS :rolleyes:

    A lot of people though agree with their tough stance of terrorism for example. They aim to put a stop to Northern Irsih terrorism by cracking down really hard on terrorists from both sides with hanging for all terrorist crimes by whichever side

    Because police brutaility will work, yeah? Because it wont make the terrorists more determined or anything, yeah? Because it wont mean that the IRA will be treated more harshly than the UDF, yeah?

    The National Front splinter groups the National Democrats and the Third Way have the best policies of all the right wing parties but are much smaller than the BNP.

    Blairs the best right-wing leader in many a year actually. But I digress...

    They have also ditched compusory repatriation in favour of the more realistic policy of building a white homeland.

    What, so now theyre saying that *we* will leave the UK, not those pesky immigrants. Do you have some weird definition of "realistic" that no-one else has, or are they already buying up land in Outer Mongolia in order to build this "white homeland"? Unless you mean that theyll kick the blacks out, but not the Irish and the Aussies and the Yanks and the Canadians and the Welsh and the Scots and Normans and the Germans and the Angles and the Saxons and the Vikings and the Romans...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    What, so now theyre saying that *we* will leave the UK, not those pesky immigrants. Do you have some weird definition of "realistic" that no-one else has, or are they already buying up land in Outer Mongolia in order to build this "white homeland"? Unless you mean that theyll kick the blacks out, but not the Irish and the Aussies and the Yanks and the Canadians and the Welsh and the Scots and Normans and the Germans and the Angles and the Saxons and the Vikings and the Romans... [/B]

    The rest was very nice :) I just dont need it.

    Firstly, a homeland would be land about the size of a city where only whites could live ( though only the kind of people who vote for NF subsiduaries would want to do this hopefully). Like in South Africa, where they "kept" all the blacks who lived in the inner city, and it was just outside the city, so the city wasnt "dirtied" :rolleyes:

    Secondly, no one in England is purely English. Anyone with blond hair is part viking, ginger is part of Celtic, upper class people are all part German, hence Im not really sure what a pure England is, seeing as most of the English are not English.


    The BNP have got some good policies on topics other than race

    Well I wouldnt personally say their policies are any good, just an easier option for working class, un-employed, tracksuit-clad white people who blame all there problems on foreigners
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Anyone who thinks that the BNP have anything good about them at all is kidding themselves. They are a Nazi party, pure and simple.

    Well most things have "something good" about them, by default the BNP are going to have some decent policies, and in actual fact they have formulated some. They certainly have policies on a wide range of issues:

    If any of you are anti-europe:
    "We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union"

    On Agriculture and Organic farming:
    "We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britain's farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nation's need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming"

    On transport and the environment:
    "Increased investment is needed in Britain’s public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars

    Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale."

    On Pensioners:
    "The conditions in which many of Britain’s old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care. "

    On Democracy:
    "We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it. "


    In particular the last pledge would appear to show that the BNP is far froma "Nazi" party.

    Most of these pledges would be financed by "cuts in Bureacracy and all Asylum claims being turned down, with illegal immigrants being expelled.

    from www.bnp.org.uk
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by carlito
    Well most things have "something good" about them

    <snip>

    If you believe any of that, then you're a fool. They are a Nazi party. Read up on their links with C18 and other far right groups. read up on their links with loyalist terrorists in Nothern Ireland.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by carlito
    Most of these pledges would be financed by "cuts in Bureacracy and all Asylum claims being turned down, with illegal immigrants being expelled.

    Oh Mr. Griffin, how you make me laugh. How do they expect to expel all illegal immigrants? Nazi Germany-style house raids? That is the only way you could check every home, nay, every building in the country, just bursting in on houses with suspected coloured people, oops, I mean, illegal immigrants.

    It would cost a lot of money to ship all the asylum seekers home as well, as Im sure a Nick Griffin regime would not want to support such "parasites of a formerly pure England"
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calito the BNP couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery in the impossible scenario that they gained power.

    Their "policies" are just a simplistic manifesto simply put there to attempt to prove they are a multi-issue party capable of sitting in government. The lack depth, understanding and analysis and use broad terms in order to appeal to as many people as possible.

    All they do is go down to the pub and ask a few punters: "what do you think of our countryside? Transport? Farming? And of course, the average punter will answer "Oh the countryside. Beautiful! Must be looked after. Transport? A shambles! More roads and more investment are needed. Farmers? They need our support!

    And so the BNP goes and proclaims: "We will protect our countryside. We will sort out the transport. We will support British farmers". A 5-year old could write such manifesto.

    All of this of course is codswallop. Because the only issues the BNP really cares about are race and immigration. They are a racist, xenophobic, homophobic worthless piece of shit and there is no excuse whatsoever for even considering voting for such scum.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why don’t you check out their web site, just do a google, should be easy to find. As someone else has already pointed out, although the media label, the BNP as the “far right” in many terms they are to the left of “old labour”. And although I agree with their stances on Asylum and the like, I would never give them my vote as they are far too socialist.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    One good policy they have got is that they want to keep traditional English villages and are totally against modern massive housing developments in the countryside. They want to save the countryside and stop all large scale road, airport and other building developments on green field sites. Instead they want to build small scale developments in the countryside in the same style as traditional English villages.

    They were very active on the two countryside marches, distributing their free paper for the marches countrysider. In it they stated their support for British farmers and how they would stop all imports of food which could not be porduced at home. Their environmental policies have earned them membership by at least one prominent environmentalist, the founder of the Tinkers Bubble eco community in Devon. But as of yet their support in rural areas remains very low.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Paul_2
    Why don’t you check out their web site, just do a google, should be easy to find. As someone else has already pointed out, although the media label, the BNP as the “far right” in many terms they are to the left of “old labour”. And although I agree with their stances on Asylum and the like, I would never give them my vote as they are far too socialist.

    Socialist? I have heard the BNP being called many things, but this is a new one...

    Let's see all those wonderful socialist/left wing/good policies the BNP has (all quotes from their website):
    The BNP is increasingly being seen as the best of being British, the "last chance" for the millions of Britons who are condemned to taxation slavery, who are subject to verbal and physical assault from our "guests" as they travel to work, to shop or to school and who face being second class citizens in their own country.
    Yep, that's pure loony leftie talk alright.
    Islam is the enemy
    Oh what a bastion of tolerance!
    Make no mistake, this is the start of the Endgame, and the aim of the game is the extinction of the White Man.
    I think no comment is needed here.
    Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for
    government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned.
    Another socialist/loony leftie policy here then.
    We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy
    ... and those who don't want will be kindly put into the first train to Auschwitz.
    We call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement
    Yes, you've said it already. Have a fixation with immigrants do you?
    We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed.
    Yep, that's more loony leftie talk alright. Notice how they would give the death penalty to paedophiles and terrorists regardless of what their crimes might be. Even death penalty-mad countries like America only give capital punishment who those who have murdered someone.

    All those of you who ever thought Charlotte Church was fit before she turned 16, be warned. The BNP is coming for you and you shall hang you filthy paedo! The same goes to Animal Liberation Front terrorists who ever broke into a compound and let minks escape. Hanging is the only language they understand!

    Do we think that the BNP would be demanding the death penalty for the murderers of Stephen Lawrence though? Or life imprisonment for any “lads” convicted of kicking an Asian half to death?

    And what of "corporal punishment" to petty criminals? LOL, this sounds more and more like some of the Islamic countries they despise so much. But that's not the best: see what they have to say about their own members:
    The rapidly growing BNP is made of sterner stuff than the decaying bodies of the old gang parties. We will make reasonable allowances for those of our membership who aspire to represent their own communities but who have from their past a "record", minor crimes such as theft and assault can be dismissed as being typical of the teenage working class.
    Mmm... no corporal punishment for them then. Clearly if you are a white fascist and your only criminal record was for sending a n*gg*r to hospital you're more than welcome to join the BNP. White right-wing burglars and thieves are also welcome. How forgiving of them!

    Need I say more about this lot?
    Originally posted by Rockwell

    But as of yet their support in rural areas remains very low.

    Perhaps because people can see through the empty promises and shallow policies and into the real racist fascist agenda of the BNP?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Rockwell
    One good policy they have got is that they want to keep traditional English villages and are totally against modern massive housing developments in the countryside. They want to save the countryside and stop all large scale road, airport and other building developments on green field sites. Instead they want to build small scale developments in the countryside in the same style as traditional English villages.

    They were very active on the two countryside marches, distributing their free paper for the marches countrysider. In it they stated their support for British farmers and how they would stop all imports of food which could not be porduced at home. Their environmental policies have earned them membership by at least one prominent environmentalist, the founder of the Tinkers Bubble eco community in Devon. But as of yet their support in rural areas remains very low.

    Steelgate/Angus - fuck off. Haven't you been banned from here once already for espousing obnoxious views?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Paul_2
    And although I agree with their stances on Asylum and the like

    You admit that you're racist then?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What’s being anti asylum go to do with race. Looks like you’ve fallen for the old lefty trick there Blagsta.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Paul_2
    What’s being anti asylum go to do with race. Looks like you’ve fallen for the old lefty trick there Blagsta.

    You said "I agree with their stances on Asylum and the like". The BNP's stance on asylum and "the like" is racist. Ergo, you are a racist, no?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I believe that the UK should only consider giving asylum to the nationals of France, Ireland and Norway. Everyone else should seek sanctuary in thier nearest safe nation, which is unlikely to be the UK.

    The BNP have really tapped into the Asylum issue, it is their big vote winner. Nu Labour have failed in many areas but Asylum and Immigration is by far their biggest.
    Figures released today suggest that numbers claiming Asylum in the UK have fallen dramatically, but will anyone believe them?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You sound like an ignorant racist bigot to me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And you sound like a poncy left wing, limp wristed, dick head with his head up his ass. But hay that’s diversity.

    Open your eyes bud and see the real world.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Paul_2
    And you sound like a poncy left wing, limp wristed, dick head with his head up his ass. But hay that’s diversity.

    Open your eyes bud and see the real world.

    LMFAO! Clueless fucker. Do the gene pool a favour and go play with the traffic. Or come down Brixton and spout your views...you wouldn't last long.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Paul_2
    I believe that the UK should only consider giving asylum to the nationals of France, Ireland and Norway. Everyone else should seek sanctuary in thier nearest safe nation, which is unlikely to be the UK.

    France, Ireland and Norway? Why on Earth do people from these countried need asylum? There are people being murdered all over the world because of their religion/political beliefs, and you want to give asylum to the French? The Americans too, because their lives are ever so hard.

    What you are saying is anyone who isn't white should bugger off, or is it just a coincedence that you want to take asylum from perfectly safe comfortable countries?

    Yes, Im sure you arent racist, you just tell the odd paki joke Im sure ;) :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Socialist? I have heard the BNP being called many things, but this is a new one.
    They do believe in extra funding for the NHS and pensioners if you can call those polices socialist. They are also in favour of a minium wage so that Britain can build up a strong home market. And making sure that everyone is properly housed.

    Those policies are not the sole preserve of socialist governments though. For example a few years after World War II when the first post war Tory government was elected they built even more council houses than the previous Labour government.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by the doc horatio
    France, Ireland and Norway? Why on Earth do people from these countried need asylum?

    Presumably he specified those countries because thats the way the asylum system is supposed to work...Asylum seekers should go to the nearest safe country. Norway, France and Ireland(among others) are our nearest neighbours.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Paul_2
    I believe that the UK should only consider giving asylum to the nationals of France, Ireland and Norway. Everyone else should seek sanctuary in thier nearest safe nation, which is unlikely to be the UK.

    So, surely by your own argument we should, in fact, only give asylum to Irish nationals because both France and Norway have closer "safe nations" than the UK.

    Unless you consider the five nations who share a border with France as "unsafe" (for example)?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,328 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Steelgate/Angus - fuck off.

    Funny, I had this sense of deja vu, too...
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