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I think it works both ways. But we import more than we export to Europe. I have zero desire to get people or countries back. I just move on...with the knowledge of who your friends are...and aren't.
I don't believe anyone can appease terrorists. Greenhat had a good post regarding how targets are chosen in the "dirty bomb" thread.
No, it's just that they are getting greater focus...
Well, I haven't noticed any other Nations openly being run by Oil men, ignoring Global opinion, invading random countries etc etc on such a scale as the US is currently doing...
Or perhaps you could look at Burma, Thailand etc
There are so many countries where corruption is par for the course and at a greater level than even the US can imagine...
The over-all goal was the same: to promote more democracies in the world. In 1910 before WWI there were only 11.
We've done a lot of good. Especially when compared to countries like Belguim.
I don't see the US as being the worst Sim. We're the worst regarding Muslim extremists right now. But they're horrible, twisted, people.
I have looked at Zimbabwe and its apalling. But nowhere near the sheer scale of the US. Robert Mugabe can't invade any country in the world at will, nor can he fry everyone on the planet at the touch of a few buttons.
pnj: Democracies are not imposed, they evolve out of the will of the people. If not they are mere charades and highly unstable or require severe repression to maintain their power base. The US however much Greeny may wish to revise history, did not "create" democracies even in Japan or Germany. Those countries had either prior democratic institutional tradition as in the case of Germany, or previous nascent democratic movements such as the fledgling union movement in Japan.
Look at the success of the US government in giving democracy to the world
What makes you think anything will be different this time?
O.K. What if Saddam had nothing to do with global terrorism. The UK and US decided to stop the no fly zones. France, Germany and Russia made tons of money. They then bought more US and UK crap with some of that money. More oil was on the world's whatever which I assume would drive prices down as well as OPEC's power. Fine right?
The world would still be standing by while Saddam kills people to keep in power. Or as seems to be the case with his son...as some kind of hobby.
Oh and true link but: what about these democracies we saved/or created...you know the drill.
So instead of screaming about "something had to be done", how much better the world is now that the US has graciously removed this evil man from power and what a great thing your caring, humanitarian rulers have done, I'd suggest you take a closer look at your government actions, past and present.
Otherwise he truly only wants to live his life with rose coloured glasses on and always believe that Washington is a bastion of puity and moral fortitude and that Bush and co are due for sainthood. :rolleyes:
I didn't realise the US was responsible for the global spread of democracy!
Considering in 1910 you would be stretching it to call the US or Britain democracies for a start.
There are still many nations that are not democracies, do you intend to invade or otherwise pressure China to become a democracy?
An nice easy survey of the lead up to and the conduct of WW I (note the American position)...
http://www2.nobleps.com/eboren/17%20-%20Road%20to%20WWI.doc
What makes you think it will be different from Germany, Japan, or the Philippines?
LMAO
Clandestine,
You really need to spend some time learning more than a smattering of history before making ridiculous claims.
Sure, Germany had a democratic tradition...one of failure, and not one that could be called institutional in any way, shape or form.
As for the "fledging" union movement..the efforts of a couple dozen individuals does not indicate much in terms of the people, at least not in a nation of millions.
Funny how you don't bother to address the Philippines...
Greenhat, when he makes those kinds of remarks, it makes me think he's from Europe.
Meantime, I think the new bases will mainly be in Poland. The German one, which I can't spell, that has the hospital will stay. Everything else goes to Poland and some to Bulgaria.
I think this is a good thing even if it costs Germany jobs and money. Germany has the right to mirror Switzerland and, depending upon your point of view, totally reject the notion of war in favor of diplomacy or position themselves as a haven for radical Muslims who will use their country to strike at other countries and perhaps launder their money through German banks as was done in Switzerland and Paris.
Clandestine, took your advice and read a very informative article about the history of the US and UK's involvement in Iran and Iraq. My opinion: many of the motives were to ensure cheap oil AND the CIA gave the US wrong information regarding Russia's oil stocks. It gave people in the US government the idea that Russia was running out of oil and would invade or gain control over the Middle East starting with Iran....and all the way up to Afghanistan.
If anyone is interested, go to MSNBC.COM and look for the link to Time's article Oily Americans. The article also talked about how BP was started by bullying Iran out of much of its oil production capabilites at the time.
And with closed-mindedness I expect from the right. Like, having never met Rumsfield...I just can't see myself convincing him that surfing can be spiritual because you are really one with nature when you're on a wave.
Yet with the left, I just pictured them open to things. But not really. It's a fixed perspective too.
Poland? Maybe a few. Most will probably be south and southeast from Poland.