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Up to 15 demonstrators "liberated" by US troops
BillieTheBot
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Iraqi demonstrators protesting against American soldiers occupying a school were shot by US forces yesterday. Between 10 and 17 people are reported killed and dozens more injured. Story here.
I remember pnj saying yesterday Ariel Sharon was advising the US government on 'security' issues. If the above is true it would appear the Americans are taking his advice seriously.
Qatar's al-Jazeera television station reported that troops had fired on the demonstrators in the town of Falluja, around 30 miles west of Baghdad, after someone in the crowd threw a stone at US soldiers.
I remember pnj saying yesterday Ariel Sharon was advising the US government on 'security' issues. If the above is true it would appear the Americans are taking his advice seriously.
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Remember there was even one incident when British troops complained about a "cowboy pilot" flying a tank-buster A10 plane who not only attacked a column of British armoured vehicles but kept coming back again, and again, and again to fire more rounds despite the British soldiers waving their arms outside the vehicles and displaying Union Jacks. One soldier died and many others were seriously wounded.
If the US soldiers did indeed open indiscriminate fire on a peaceful demonstration because one idiot threw a stone at them (or even if someone shot in the air) then they have an awful lot to answer for.
As for the mid term solution, it is very clear that the Iraqis don't want American troops there. It is not an easy issue and perhaps UN troops should replace US soldiers where hostilities are over- which is pretty much everywhere apart from a few localised resistance pockets.
The Iraqi people and the Middle East and the World are improving. You just can't see it because of your blind hatred of America. It is going to be a better age for Arabs. They deserve to have democracies too.
I take American soldiers are always free of any wrongdoing then? EVEN if the shot was fired from the crowd (which remains to be seen) you would think that firing indiscriminately at an unarmed crowed (other than one idiot at the back with a pistol) can be considered as excessive use of force. But no matter: US troops have gloriously and selflessly liberated the Iraqis so they should put up with anything that matters and not to bother the soldiers, even if they have set up camp at a school.
Oh really? And is that thanks to the saviours of mankind and freedom too?
As opposed to you, who have never set foot outside your country, know little about other countries and cultures and yet feel qualified to call whole nations "cowards", "traitors", "Nazis" or "appeasers", I have travelled to America many times and count a good number of your compatriots as friends. But then, I dare to criticise the whiter than white, pure, good and just Bush administration so I must hate America eh?
What Arab nations deserve is to have territorial integrity and to run their countries free of interference and threats from aggressive governments hell-bent in achieving total political control of the area.
Rice and Powell
Aladdin, I want people all over the world to be free. Crying out loud. In Saudi Arabia last week, they had a day of programming on t.v. discussing farting at prayer services. (Although, the prayer mats are set close to each other so I suppose it's a problem.) But really, talk about the government being up your ass.
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Certainly will.
The Americans have so far been in the habit of remaining in their tanks and at checkpoints going beserk at everything they see. The British have been wandering around in the open with their weapons holstered trying to keep some sort of civilisation in order.
The Americans were one of the worst possible choices to be peacekeepers, they aren't renowned for their ability to successfully identify hostile targets, their actions in killing more of ours and their own troops than the Iraqis managed to is evidence of this.
Do you seriously think Alladin wants Saddam in power? His argument is with the way that he has been deposed and the wider US agenda as a whole. Hes not a Saddam sympathiser.
If the American/British troops shoot anyone you'll blame on the Muslim priests and call it a 'mishap'?
"Blind hatred of America" doesn't come into it. I bet Alladin has drunk Coke, used American Computers/software and contributed to that nations wealth. His outrage, along with many others, comes from the total disregard for international law, warmongering and corruption at the heart of this US govt.
Their childish 'need' for war has seen thousands of Iraqi's and Afghani's die,
Their unquestioning support of a terrorist state has seen a wave of anti-western feeling run through the entire muslim world which has killed thousands in the WTC and probably thousands more to come.
Their links with the oil industry have seen the most polluting nation on earth pull out of the Kyoto treaty and encourage the burgeoning ownership of inefficient SUV's that accelerate global warming and have opened up pristine area's of Alaska to Oil exploration. Their quest for more oil has also led partly to Iraq.
But why I am really angry with them and so by default, my government, is because the UK has been sucked into a war that wil mean millions more people hate this country and want to see it hurt.
The 'boys and their toys' attitude of the current US govt. is the most dangerous thing since the Cold War arms race.
Imposing American companies and values on people while simultaneously stripping their country of resources is not freedom. Look at the British Empire, would you claim that was freedom?
Personally, I doubt it.
Sim, Bush said on American t.v. addressing a big auditorium of Arab Americans and it was carried worldwide on Arab t.v. stations that the US is not going to impose its values on the Iraqi people.
So if that turns out not to be true, the world will know he's a big liar. The administration also said they will only allow a democracy. So I don't know how those two things work out. But we'll see.
Frankly I encourage Bush to keep right on misreading the values of Iraqi and Arab society at large, all the more likely that his grand "doctrine" will inevitably be shown to have increased our already expansive foreign policy credibility gap.
Maybe not directly on the values side. (probably moreby influencing which party is in power by giving them money, favours etc.
On the companies side; they already have. It was reported in most english newspapers that the US govt. is already taking bids to run the schools of Iraq. (Which is a way to subliminally impose Western values on Iraqi children)
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Jacq, I very much doubt we'd have gone to war if the USA hadn't, but then we weren't ever a target for anyone other than the Irish, and unless they resort to flying jets into tall buildings I doubt we'll see British tanks driving through Belfast and Dublin.
As for "playing soldier", would you like to see the AAR on B2O? There is an example of "playing soldier" if there ever was one. Guess that illustrates how poorly all British soldiers are trained, doesn't it? :rolleyes:
You're right though, US troops don't "play soldier" well. See, it's not a fucking game.
How big a military does the United Kingdom field? How big a military does the United States field? How many aircraft did the UK put into the air for the liberation of Iraq? How many did the US put up? How many US helicopters ran into each other? How many UK helicopters ran into each other? How many kilometers did the Desert Rats move and how fast? How many kilometers did the Rock of the Marne move and how fast? How many SAS teams were compromised? How many SEAL teams? How many Special Forces teams?
When you actually have worn a uniform and done the job, then you might have a clue. In the meantime, you're just a twit who doesn't have any idea of what he's talking about.
Btw, you need a much better grasp of history if you think the Irish are the only group that Britain has ever had a dispute with or that the IRA are the only terrorist group to ever target Britain.
How many Tornado fighter bombers did the Americans shoot down because they thought they were shooting one of said jets???
tit for tat, the Americans are worse soldiers than the British. Oh well.
But dont worry , the Americans will learn soon enough.
As to the shooting of protestors , I read in the paper that men on motorcycles with Ak47s turned up and started shooting. If this was the case the troops had a right to defend themselves.
They also hid within the crowd. They are loyal members of Saddam's party. There were bullet holes in the school's walls behind the American soldiers. All of our soldiers know that to go to Iraq and shoot people isn't going to make America safer.
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This is from a member of the SAS. It refers to the official final After Action report for B20.