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Maybe, but.......
Doesn't really fit in with that comment regardless.
You just stated the Bush doctrain exactly Clandestine. That's basically what it is.
That of course is a whole different issue than this thread calls for but suffice to say, that the only angle of comparison is a highly tenuous "what if" scenario that has nothing to do with the underlying causes nor agendas for the current aggression.
If anything is true its that this current misjudgement is one paving stone on the path toward eventual resumption of global hostilities which the UN was established to prevent. So noone is being done any real favours here, not in the long run.
You can't say with any certainty what Saddam may of done in the future, neither can I, or Bush. So there is no right or wrong on the issue, but at least Bush, Blair etc...... have a wealth of intelligence to help them along, you can't dispute they're in a better position to judge than we are.
Please, its fairly obvious to the majority of the international community that not only was Saddam effectively contained, but that he has been reduced to roughly 1/5 of the military capability he had during PGW1, and even then he couldnt stand up to the forces arrayed against him.
There is no credible indication that Saddam would ever be more than a third rate despot over a severely depleted nation. He couldnt even beat the Iranians at the height of his ability.
You put far too much faith in leaders who have repeatedly shown themselves ill deserving of credibility.
On the other hand we can be fairly certain that Bush (and perhaps Blair) will propagate even more unjustified aggression and destruction if they are not reigned in soon.
• Rodgers: 1,000 armed vehicles in convoy, could reach U.S. troops tonight
See, this is an example of where since Iraq is playing by the rules of the Geneva convention, we shouldn't either. We should use whatever we have to to destroy this column and screw what the world thinks.
New news: they found vials of antidote for nerve gas in that hospital. Is Saddam planning to gas the Shiite muslims? By being careful regarding civilian casualties, we could be setting his enemies up for a horrible disaster.
Youd best go back and learn what the GC is about pnj, it concerns prisoners of war. It does not deny the right of a sovereign nation to defend itself.
I just learned the French have been the most help regarding sharing intelligence on Al Qaeda. I always thought it was stupid for a government official, Rumsfield, to insult an entire country with "Old Europe". But now I think it was ungrateful on his part and really bad in terms of the Al Qaeda war.
You'll never guess where the news regarding all of France's help came from today: the White House.
I can't stand the inconsistent way we are friends with people.
You yourself have been slinging every kind of vitriole toward France and other European countries for months now pnj. What gives with you?
Although, I'm still trusting the leaders and since we have troops over there I want them protected.
I used "Old Europe" also to wing people out on the site...and it worked!
The sooner we replace them with people who understand the long term dangers of this sort of gung ho militarism for the security of the US as well as the world, the safer we'll all be.
Unless you are American of course, they would be [rightly] condemned for that.
Of course, some people here want to condemn them for the loss of civillian life already, yet no condemnation for the Iraqi regime which is putting civillians in harms way...
Just supports everything I've said before - it's easy to criticise the US, but none of the anti-war campaign are every remotely as vocal in their opposition to Iraq...
Been unable to log on here for a while.
Anyway, glad to see you abhor war too now. Many of us already knew that it was not a "good" thing, just have to accept that sometimes it is necessary.
One thing that will never happen though, is both sides sticking to the "rules". Problem for the US is that if they break any, they are condemned. Other countries aren't...
amen brotha. :cool:
The fact is the US/UK are 'our' side and we have to hold them accountable, we can't hold Saddam's regime accountable nad they are doomed anyway........
If we werent there, we'd have no soldiers being paraded on Iraqi television or possibly executed. But no, the moral crusaders who lust for war (although the question remains as to whether such people are preared to re-start world wide conflict to remove EVERY last heinous dictator under the same pretenses) have the gall to be angry over losses that they should have been well aware would happen once we went in with guns blazing.
We could have done this according to the collective will of the international community and mechanisms of international law, but Israel wants a zone of control all its own in the Middle East and couldnt resist teaming up with the corporate interests driving the Bush admin to put the entire nation of Iraq under its thumb post haste. The backlash of hatred and increased terrorism for this invasion will undoubtedly strip all the sentimental claims of purpose (liberty, democracy, etc..) from what we have done and demonstrate just how much less secure we have left ourselves thanks to the sheer arrogance of our leaders.
Odd how you and Aladdin have said nothing about the 1,000 Shiites shot by Saddam's thugs today when they were trying to leave Basra.
Just how many countries do you think we can invade before we are truly known as a new imperialistic monster? Do you think youll feel safer once the majority of the planet hates us utterly?
Then again I doubt you have the resoning faculties to comprehend the logical conclusion to the policy of unilateral aggression you so readily champion.
Any Iraqi soldiers who shoot civilians are worthless scum and should be tried for war crimes pnj. What makes you think I would not condemn such an act? If I haven't commented is because these are unconfirmed initial reports just in, and so far we've only heard that 1,000 people were shot at as they did a runner. There are no reports of casualties yet although if the reports are true there will sadly be a number of killed civilians.
In any case, perhaps this "thousands of civilians massacred" story turns out to be made of the same stuff as the "entire 8,000-strong Iraqi division surrenders", "Saddam's right hand man Taziz deserts" or "massive chemical plant found" stories.
He's the first I've really read about...who is still alive. I'm shocked by what the world allowed. And don't bring up that Yugo guy...that's before my time.
If Saddam were torturing White, Christian people...would the world have allowed it?
*Strangers, don't email me...I'm White and Christian so I can ask...that's me on my posts.