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Shiite's revolt in Basra

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
"A revolt is taking place in Basra," Mohammad Hadi, spokesman of the Iran-based Supreme Assembly for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (news - web sites) (ASRII), told AFP.

I'm proud we're part of liberating people. Some Scottish group within the UK's army is helping the Shitte's fight Saddam's loyalists.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And you are gullible enough to believe that the Iraqi Shiites hold any love for the US? lol. You have so much yet to learn pnj.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Problem with the war is, that suddenly a lot of people have too much of an interest in it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    that's true Jac. Beyond the American public, the people on Wall St. have it on all of the time and react to events like the one in this post. Market shot up on this story and economic news.

    Clandestine: I can't stand to see people tortured. Is that so hard to understand? Now Saddam's goons are lowering people into industrial shredders while their families watch. And he makes sure the public knows about it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Your comments to which I responded have nothing to do with the issue of torture, try to maintain some order to your delusions at the very least, please. :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
    that's true Jac. Beyond the American public, the people on Wall St. have it on all of the time and react to events like the one in this post. Market shot up on this story and economic news.

    Not talking about economical benefits of it (which is of course a plesant thing for the state America has been in financially).
    More about the facts that Turkey are now said to get involved, and if you're right Shia muslims as well, and it just leaves the whole deal messier, than it was when starting.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And pnj will learn just how messy it will be in the aftermath. The Shia's will not tolerate a US-installed puppet regime any more than the actual Baath Party loyalists will.

    And of course, as you point out Jacq, with the Turks sticking their nose in Iraqi Kurdish affairs, or intending to, the whole charade of bringing "democracy" to Iraq will be exposed for the BS that it is. Nice soundbite for gullible sorts like pnj to lap up but sadly not a plausible reality in that factious country.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    that's true about turkey...especially with their radical turn.

    It's a mess. The Bush doctrain after 9/11 is basically that we can't wait to be attacked. We must hit first...at Al Qaeda enablers.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Does anyone have figures of which group the civilian Iraqis belong to, or is it all categorised under "Saddam"?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont have figures, but I do know that the 3 main people groups of the country are Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds, with some smaller ethnic/religious groupings dotted about.

    You should be able to find a population demographic by searching Google.

    *awaits Aladdins arrival to address pnj's continuing delusions*
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Happy to oblige Clandestine :)
    Originally posted by pnj
    It's a mess. The Bush doctrain after 9/11 is basically that we can't wait to be attacked. We must hit first...at Al Qaeda enablers.

    If that was the case then the US government should have turned the guns on themselves.

    As it has been pointed out to you before pnj, the war on terror and the war on Iraq are completely unrelated. Saddam was actually the best pest control instrument in the area when it comes to Al Qaida. It's in fact some of those Kurds who you're coming to liberate who have been a little too friendly with Mr bin Laden and his mates.

    Don’t worry mate, you’re doing well. You don’t mention the “link” as often as in the past; the spell placed by the Washington spin-doctors is starting to crumble. Together we will pull through this!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    terror link or no - is irrelevant entirely. this should have been done in 1998 the second UNSCOM / UNMOVIC teams were expelled from Iraq. 12 years of deception and lies from the mouths of Iraqi leaders is more than enough motivation for me to support this war entirely.

    continued defiance will lead only to the further erosion and irrelevance of the UN and any charter the body issues. If the US / UK have to be the only nations that decide to uphold the charter, then the UN part and parcel is useless.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wrong again Devilman. The Inspectors were not expelled in 1998, they were withdrawn by the UN in advance of CLinton's bombing of Baghdad. Claims that they were thrown out made good spin in right wing press but were completely untrue and have been repeatedly addressed specifically by the inspectors themselves.

    The UN/UK are not upholding the charter, which is precisely why much debate is raging in legal circles over the likely illegality of this invasion.

    I posted this elsewhere but you might do well to read it carefully...

    http://www.lcnp.org/global/Iraqstatemt.3.pdf

    If anything the US and UK are undermining the UN charter and setting a precedent which other world powers could easily emulate when and if they felt justified in themselves to pursue their own self interests in a similar manner. And like dominos this precedent will likely only serve to set off a chain reaction in the direction of renewed chaos and unmitigated war.

    Something your children can thank Mr. Bush for when all the mechanisms that have kept world conflict at bay for more than half a century have been systematically dismantled.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In any case I could have not blame Saddam even if he had kicked out the inspectors in 1998 as it turned out a good number of them were spies on the CIA's payroll and providing logisitical information that was used for the subsequent bombing of 1998.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    this means nothing - Iraq and Saddam are a conqured nation, thus have no 'rights' to be free of what he terms as 'spying.' For his insolence, he gets the mother of all dope slaps and deservedly so.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Clandestine
    I dont have figures, but I do know that the 3 main people groups of the country are Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds, with some smaller ethnic/religious groupings dotted about.

    Talking about political tendencies, not religious. Though the only figures avaliable are probably from before the Baath party took over.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DevilMan
    this means nothing - Iraq and Saddam are a conqured nation, thus have no 'rights' to be free of what he terms as 'spying.' For his insolence, he gets the mother of all dope slaps and deservedly so.

    You what?

    Get it straight: Iraq wasn't then- and isn't now- a conquered country. It is a sovereign nation and regardless of outstanding UN resolutions and what the US might think, it has no right to put UN inspectors on payroll and get them to spy for America on unrelated issues.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Forcing them out of Kuwait was not conquering them........
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html

    This is the bit form the CIA factbook that was updated a few days ago. It has a section on the ethnic make up.

    About 80% Arab (of which 65% Shia and 35% Sunni approx), approximately 15% Kurdish and 5% others including Turkomans and Assyrians.....
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