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Quick insight into Bush.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That was posted already. Please stop flooding the board with similar threads!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    thought no one read it because I put the wrong headline on it. I thought the article gave good, unflattering, insight into Bush.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Images of global demonstrations against war with Iraq linger in the minds of heads of state and talking heads: millions of citizens marching in the name of peace in streets from London and Glasgow to Rome and Tokyo. But I can tell you that the marchers impressed President George W. Bush, too. They convinced him — if he needed more convincing — that he is surely on the right course in confronting Saddam Hussein.

    The CIA also thought it was a good idea to overthrow the government of Iran and replace it with the Shah in the 1950s. LOL liberty no doubt was brought to the Iranian people! The Shah then instituted a regime of terror against the Iranian population. Iran's security forces were trained by the Mossad. The Iranian population began to seethe with resentment and express that resentment at Mosque of all places! Of course it was not suprising when the Islamic Revolution hit Iran in 1979 as a direct consequent of American interventionism. The rise of an Islamic Republic in Iran threw U.S. geopolitical strategy in the Middle East into shambles. Up until this time America had relied upon its "strategic triangle" or Iran, Turkey, and Israel to maintain its supremacy in the region. Now faced with the specter of Islamicism sweeping across the Arab world America began to coddle you guessed it, Saddam Hussein of all people! American supplied Saddam with lots of nasty weapons, lots of bad intelligence, and a lot of motivation to attack Iran which America made out to be much weaker than it actually was to Saddam. The Iran-Iraq war goes on for years during which at the encouragement of America Iraq borrows billions of dollars from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to pay for the war effort - who encouraged Saddam to attack. Once the war was over Kuwait of course began to demand payment on the massive amount of money it had lent Iraq but Iraq still exhausted from war could not comply. Kuwait then began to produce well over its OPEC quota to drive down the price of oil and hurt Iraq's economy as punishment. It also began slant drilling into an oil field in Southern Iraq. Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait. The United States leads a coalition to throw Saddam out of Kuwait. After bombing Iraq for over 10 years we remain poised again to attack Iraq.

    An important point should be realized here. Intervention created this problem in the first place.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A little more in depth research into Iran and the Shah might be a good idea, Heydrich. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Only 'might', Greenhat? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    http://www.appalachianfocus.org/global/recycled_oil.htm

    REALITY REPORT: WHY AMERICA IS HATED! (part of the reason)
    Subject: Re: Attack on America
    Our War Against Iraq: Causes & Cure...
    by Nick Pine

    In 1897 and 1898, Britain used assassination, intrigue, and threats to carve out a piece of Iraq and rule it through the Sheikh of Kuwait. In 1920, after World War I, Britain, France, and the U.S. seized the rights to 95% of the oil in Iraq. By 1932, Britain had expanded Kuwait from a small village on the Gulf into a colony occupying the entire coastline of the Persian Gulf from Arabia to Iran, completely shutting off Iraq from access to the Gulf. For the next half a century, British intelligence murdered almost every Iraqi leader and king, because they called for the return of Kuwait. By 1958 the U.S. was an equal partner with Britain in the coups and assassinations. Together they backed a coup against King Faisal II (who had himself been installed by the British). He was killed and replaced with Abdel Karim Qassim. But he too called for the return of Kuwait, so CIA chief Allen Dulles ordered his assassination.

    After the job was botched a couple of times, the CIA gave the assignment to one of its promising young assassins, Saddam Hussein. With the help of a CIA airlift, he succeeded. By 1968, Saddam Hussein was in complete control and, under CIA direction, killing trade unionists, radicals, and Communists.

    In 1977, US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski met with Saddam Hussein, the Emir of Kuwait, and a Saudi representative, and proposed that Iraq invade Iran, seizing the Khuzestan oil fields. In 1982, US FBI chief William Webster met with the Emir of Kuwait and plotted the seizure of Iraqi oil fields and the slant-drilling with which Kuwait and western oil companies stole $14 billion worth of Iraqi oil.

    Right up to the time of Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, US Department of Defense training manuals sang the praises of Saddam Hussein, noting how he had vastly improved education, medical care, and the standard of living of his people. His regime was called one of the most enlightened, progressive governments in the region. This was in an official DoD document used in the education of high-ranking officers of all the military services.

    But there was a problem. The Berlin wall had come down. The Soviet Union had collapsed. And the American people were clamoring for a peace dividend. They had to find another bad guy, fast. In May 1990, a National Security Council white paper stated that Iraq and Saddam Hussein were (and I quote) "the optimum contenders to replace the Warsaw pact as the rationale for major military expenditures."

    Two months later, on July 20, 1990, General Schwarzkopf conducted training exercises simulating exactly the contingency of an Iraqi attack on Kuwait. Five days later, April Glaspie gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait. A week later, he did. Almost immediately, the U.S. deployed as many troops and twice as much material as was moved for the Normandy invasion. Do you think this was done without advance planning?

    This was the war they wanted, the war they planned for, the war they instigated, the war they salivated over. This was the war that would demonstrate the capabilities of the smart bombs made by our weapons manufacturers. It was better than a hundred trade shows. This was the war that would prove that George Bush was not a wimp. This was the war that "would make billions for the oil company owned by the president's son, George Bush, Jr., who had exclusive rights to offshore oil in the Gulf."

    Saddam was suckered into our trap. And he fell for it. He crossed the undefended border of Kuwait, and in response our government dropped 300 to 400 million pounds of high explosives on Iraq. This onslaught destroyed tens of thousands of buildings and essentially every bridge, power plant, and industrial facility in the country. It killed a quarter of a million Iraqis, including at least 100,000 civilians, of which half were children.

    Now here we are eight years later, and the shocking death toll from the Gulf War has been dwarfed by that from our continuing war against Iraq. Not only have we failed to rebuild what we destroyed; we have imposed economic sanctions which have prevented the Iraqis and everyone else from doing so. In the eight years since the end of Desert Storm, one and a half million Iraqis have died as a direct result of US/UN sanctions. It is now estimated that among those who have lost their lives are "three quarters of a million children under the age of five!" And the dying goes on. A million Iraqi children are ""seriously malnourished"", and 150 to 200 are "dying every day".

    Among the ordnance we used on Iraq were some 500 tons of depleted uranium bombs and artillery shells. The radioactive dust covering the southern part of Iraq has caused birth defects and cancer rates to soar. As if that were not enough, we periodically continue to drop bombs and cruise missiles on that devastated nation...

    Is it any wonder we are considered the great Satan? NO!
    Is it any wonder we are hated? NO !!
    Is it any wonder we are the target of terrorists? NO !!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I often hear talk of bringing democracy to Iraq like it was brought to Germany. Yes, the Weimar Republic was a Democracy. The Weimer Republic was followed by Adolf Hitler.

    I support the war. It is a classic example of an Empire overextending itself in a period of domestic economic decline. America will not win its War on Terror anymore than the the Soviet Union won its War on Terror. I would like to go on record with that prediction.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Heydrich. Talking about today's Germany.

    Uncle Joe. If you think this hating America vibe is going to change public opinion you're right. The French have caused the support for Bush and the Iraq war to go up to 70%. The people in the US are so convinced that Al Qaeda is out to destroy us and the world is not reliable, we're resolved to doing whatever we have to do to defend ourselves.

    One thing about Bush, in 2001, right after the WTC murders, he named the countries and Al Qaeda and said he was going to bring people to justice or bring justice to them. And he named Iraq, Iran and North Korea. So they've had time to get out of the terrorist sponsoring business.

    I just posted this article cause I thought it was interesting...and not really flattering about Bush.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps you have forgotten that Germany was dismembered and ceased to exist as a nation for almost half a century. Having seen millions of its citizens ethnically cleansed by the United States after the war, it has ceased to have a real foreign policy. The independence of the American South has never been restored. Germany, as a nation, was only unified several years ago an action resisted by America and its allies. We also saw how America "reconstructed" Germany too! The Morgenthau Plan! God Bless the Yankee Liberators! :rolleyes: Don't get me wrong. I despise the United States with a passion. I am a true America hater in every sense of the word. If a terrorist exploded a nuclear bomb in Washington D.C. to that I would say good riddance! Serves you right!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Reagan told Gorby to "tear down this wall" in a speech in Berlin. We fought the Communists Heydrich. And we never took Germany over either. We guided it to democracy... which I'm proud of and too many Germans today are ungrateful for.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
    Uncle Joe. If you think this hating America vibe is going to change public opinion you're right]
    What 'hating America vibe'?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Joe, he wont read or learn anything that doesnt appear on corporate backed tv news. Dont bother trying to reason with him, im just about ready to give up and just ignore him myself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As usual you are confused. That was President Bush, not President Reagan, who was a different person. I am old enough to remember the Reagan Presidency. Are you? German reunification was also strongly resisted by America's allies at first. It was not America which reunified Germany - it was the Soviet Union. America also OPPOSSED the dissolution of the Soviet Union and America OPPOSSED every offer the Soviets made to reunify Germany as a neutral state during the Cold War. It was AMERICA and not the Soviet Union that kept Germany divided for almost half a century. Some great liberator, more Germans died in America's concentration camps AFTER the war than in the entire Western theatre of the Second World War as part of the Morgenthau Plan. Millions of Germans were ethnically cleansed from the reconstructed artificial states of Poland and Czechoslovakia, the later having fell apart for a second time decades later. Thousands of anti-Communist Russians were turned over to the Soviet Union after the war to be shot to death or enslaved in the Gulag Archipelago along with millions of Germany POWs which never returned home. I do not remember any war crime trials for the literally MILLIONS of women raped by the Soviet Union as the allies as expected turned the other cheek and partitioned the ENTIRE CONTINENT with Stalin. Where did Poland go for the next half century I might ask? As Churchill once said, what do you say you take 90% of Romania, we take Greece, and go 50/50 on Yugoslavia?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You're amusing, Heydrich. Your concept of history is twisted beyond recognition, but you are amusing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hey-person I hope you're on something. The Soviet Union did everything in its power to keep Germany separated. When it had no more power, that wall came down. The constant pressure from America and the rest of the world broke that country. Not to mention that fact that communist/socialist countries don't work.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Socialist countries have worked just fine in Europe. But since you dont understand yet the differences between various manifestations of socialist systems nor have any firsthand experience with living conditions outside the US, your comments are once again of little consequence.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My friend said there are phone numbers you can call where women are nasty to you. They just say awful things 24/7.
    Any chance you work for one of them? If not you've missed your *coughs* calling. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Stop saying things of which you have little knowledge and ill refrain from such responses. I just tire of your uninformed claims.
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