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Mass Anti-War Demonstration in London on September 28th

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Greenhat, steelgate doesn't have a clue about anything in the real world, period.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Attacking Iraq has very little to do with terrorism, or even a dislike of Saddam Hussein's tyrannical regime. Let's face it, America has allied itself with far worse ruffians before. Even the elimination of WMDs is only a side benefit. The real point is to get control of Iraqi oil. This I am in favour of. I just wish that America would be honest about its motives.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Another war on Iraq would be a total disaster for the Iraqi people, they are already among the poorest people in the world now as a result of the last Gulf War and sanctions. Millions of them could starve death if another war takes place due to a break down of food distribution in the country. Another war however well intentioned would totally destroy the country.

    Iraq was not only devastated by the last Gulf War of 1991, but it's economy is being destroyed by sanctions which has meant that the Iraqi people have not been able to rebuild their country, to build vital things like new schools, hospitals, and factories, the whole country has been left in ruins since the end of the last Gulf War. The money that Iraq gets in return for oil for trade cannot be spend on rebuilding the country they are only allowed to spend it on humanitarain aid. Iraq is a country which is dying. It's whole infrastructure is in ruins, it most certainly doesn't need another war!

    Far more people have also been killed by both the last Gulf War and economic sanctions than by Saddam Hussein.

    It also strange how government leaders never have enough money to fund hospitals and schools properly but can always find billions and billions for a war!

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stee1gate

    Far more people have also been killed by both the last Gulf War and economic sanctions than by Saddam Hussein.

    And who is responsible for both of those? Oh, yeah...Saddam...

    Steelgate, get help. Really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stee1gate
    The money that Iraq gets in return for oil for trade cannot be spend on rebuilding the country they are only allowed to spend it on humanitarain aid.

    And all that humanitarian aid and cash goes where? Into the pockets of Saddam and his cronies, that's where. Public accountability is an alien concept to such people.
    Iraq is a country which is dying. It's whole infrastructure is in ruins, it most certainly doesn't need another war!

    If they are dying, why not let them die?
    Far more people have also been killed by both the last Gulf War and economic sanctions than by Saddam Hussein.

    Prove that. I want to see tallies of gravestones. Oh, I forget, Saddam conveniently plays down the numbers of those his tyranny has killed and inflates the numbers of those 'martyrs' killed by American bombs.
    It also strange how government leaders never have enough money to fund hospitals and schools properly but can always find billions and billions for a war!

    Not strange at all. National defence is the number-one priority of any government, or should be.

    I say again, Iraqi oil is the important issue here. How much longer can Saudi Arabia be expected to remain stable? Not long, I guess. The West simply cannot afford not to try to secure Iraqi oil. The main problem is that the Middle East is such a volatile area that such a move could destabilize the whole region. Weighed against that we have the certainty of soaring oil prices and the possibility of nuclear, biological or chemical attack by Saddam Hussein. Not to mention Osama bin Laden, presuming he's still about, or his followers.

    Those of us who are teenagers can, in my hunble opinion, look forward to the near-certainty of at least one act of nuclear terrorism in their lifetimes. Also in my humble opinion, the prime targets would be Washington, D.C., New York City and London. Cheery thoughts.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not strange at all. National defence is the number-one priority of any government, or should be.
    Western countries wouldn't need such big defence budgets if they had ethical foreign polices in the first place. Saddam Hussein is a prime example of this, western countries armed Iraq to the teeth during the Iran/Iraq war even though they knew he was a brutal dictator and supplied him with the technology to produce chemical and biological weapons.

    The Western countries like Britain and America have a long history of arming brutal regime like Indonesia for example, a regime led by Suharto who came to power in a CIA backed coup in 1965 overthrowing a democratic government and murdered 500,000 political opponents and then in 1975 invaded East Timor killing 200,000 within a few years.

    The American government also gives billions in aid to the Columiban regime which is one of the most brutal in the world!

    Also western economic policy needs to change to give justice to the Third World and to stop supporting brutal regimes that terrorise there own people. They could start by writting off Third World debt that would help reduce poverty in Third World countries and only support democratic government and states that respected human rights.

    Finally Western countries need to call of the coming attack on Iraq! An attack on Iraq will not only cause enormous suffering and death for the Iraqi people but will make Western countries like Britain and America even more hated in the Third World and lead to even more terrorist attacks on them like September 11th. Muslim fanatics have already warned that Britain would be a target if Britain attacks Iraq!

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Steelgate,

    Really, a psychiatric evaluation would be a good idea.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This march looks as if it is really going to be massive so far there already one hundred coaches booked for it from Birmingham alone and more coaches are being booked for it from towns around the country all the time.

    Once again just to remind everyone the route of the march is from the Embankment where it will assemble at 1pm and then it will go to Hyde Park for a mass rally.

    Two major national newspapers also strongly oppose this war - The Mirror and The Guardian they might also be displaying advertisements for the march soon as well. Even members of the Tory Party have been speaking out against this war so things are looking good.
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    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stee1gate
    This march looks as if it is really going to be massive so far there already one hundred coaches booked for it from Birmingham

    Think you've said this elsewhere. Let me remind you of my response.

    100 coaches will carry a maximum of 10,000 people.

    Hardly a "massive" influx from a town with a population exceeding 2m
    Two major national newspapers also strongly oppose this war - The Mirror and The Guardian

    He, he, "major" newspapers :rolleyes: Circulation not even half of The Sun, and I think we all know what their position is...

    Now, who would have predicted that either of those papers would have been anti?

    Go on surprise me, tell me that the Socialist Worker is anti too...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The one hundred coaches are coming from just one of many cities in Britain, there are dozens of major cities in Britain so the total number of coaches coming could be as high as 2000, that is 100,000 people if there are an average of about 50 people per coach. As well as people coming by coach many will be making there own way to the demonstration by train. Then there are the vast numbers of people who will be coming from London itself which has a population of over seven million.

    I would urge everyone going on the demo not just to march from A to B as everyone always does on demonstrations but to go further. The rally is going to Hyde Park which is conviently near Oxford Street so thousands of people could then go onto hold a mass blockade of Oxford Street which would really make politicans sit up and listen the anti-war movement!

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Greenhat
    And who is responsible for both of those? Oh, yeah...Saddam...
    Steelgate, get help. Really.
    Sanctions are being imposed by the western countries though so they are responsible!

    It is you who needs to get help so that you can see that war is wrong! War is mass murder and mass destruction and can never be justified! You can never justify bombing a whole country and killing and maiming tens of thousands of people!:mad: :mad: :mad:

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Steelgate, as much as I agree that this particular situation involving possible war is wrong for numerous reasons, I must say you overstate your position by saying the war is NEVER justified.

    One need only look at where Europe would be now if Hitler had never been stopped. Of course Hitler was of a calibre well beyond Saddam, but basically there are cases where countries or leaders must be stopped by force. Iraq is not such a case, and certainly not by my country which put him in power, armed him and encouraged him to do our dirty work for us.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stee1gate
    Sanctions are being imposed by the western countries though so they are responsible!

    Hmmm..well, all Saddam has to do is comply with the Ceasefire and UN resolutions that he agreed to in 1991 to stop them..pretty simple, isn't it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stee1gate
    The one hundred coaches are coming from just one of many cities in Britain, there are dozens of major cities in Britain so the total number of coaches coming could be as high as 2000, that is 100,000 people if there are an average of about 50 people per coach.
    You do know that Birmingham is by far the biggest city, in terms of population, in England, apart from London. So it is fair to assume that they are going to have the biggest amount of people coming from there. But even so, lets pretend that all the major cities manage to get a hundred coaches... Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Leeds, Bristol, Glasgow, Edingborough, Aberdeen... thats all of the cities anywhere near the population of Birmingham I can think of. That makes 900, including Birmingham...
    The rally is going to Hyde Park which is conviently near Oxford Street so thousands of people could then go onto hold a mass blockade of Oxford Street which would really make politicans sit up and listen the anti-war movement!

    Yes, because the thousands of anti-capitalists who do it every MayDay really make the politicians sit up and listen. Oh... wait... no they don't. Because the politicians don't care, and don't listen to the people who are disrupting their country.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that this demo will make a big impact though! For a start it will show people who see it on TV and in the papers that there is a mass anti-war movement in this country which will help the anti-war movement to grow even stronger as it will encourage more people to get involved with the Stop The War Coalition.

    Once there is a massive anti-war feeling amongst the British public which this march will help inspire further then it will be very difficult for Blair to keep supportting Bush over the planned war with Iraq. Blair is already coming under pressure from 150 of his own MPs if the anti-war movement keeps up the pressure Blair will be forced to back down.

    Already several trade unions including the fire brigade union have agreed to back the anti-war movement and call a strike should Britain and America attack Iraq.

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This is just two days away now! Hopefully this will be just as big if not bigger than the countryside March last Sunday.

    Once again just to remind everyone it starts at 1pm at the Embankment in central London this Saturady, September the 28th.

    If anyone is coming from outside London and needs somewhere to stay overnight either on Friday or Saturday an anti-war camp has been set up in the grounds of the Imperial War Museum.

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stee1gate
    This is just two days away now! Hopefully this will be just as big if not bigger than the countryside March last Sunday.

    Once again just to remind everyone it starts at 1pm at the Embankment in central London this Saturady, September the 28th.

    If anyone is coming from outside London and needs somewhere to stay overnight either on Friday or Saturday an anti-war camp has been set up in the grounds of the Imperial War Museum.

    http://www.stopwar.org.uk

    And risk being raped? No thanks.
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