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Circumcision
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Not in the sexual sense, but all in all, do you see circumcision as male genital mutilation or not?
If yes, do you think that there are any exceptions, such as when it comes to circumcision and its tie to religion (meaning, if a religion calls for it, it is okay, but not otherwise)?
If yes, do you think that there are any exceptions, such as when it comes to circumcision and its tie to religion (meaning, if a religion calls for it, it is okay, but not otherwise)?
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Male circumcision makes sex more interesting;
Female circumcision makes sex less than interesting!
islamics practice both...!
I cannot say the same for female circumcision, as all i've heard is that it has no good reason, no consent from the person its practiced on and no qualified medic in theis country will perform it.
Like i say, this is what i've heard / found out. None is garuenteed accurate.
I guess it is actually mutilation, and because of where it is its got to be genital mutilation. Same as nose and lip rings is facial mutilation.
The trouble is (and reason why people may disaggree) the word "mutilation" is bias in our use of language to mean "some-thing bad" rather than its dictonary definition.
When Moses led the Israelites in rebellion and they fled Egypt things got pretty bad out in the desert...they wanted to 'go back' so they could at least get a hot meal and a hut to sleep in.
Suddenly by revelation from YHWH they, all the males, had to be circumcised...and it was done! Now, if they returned to Egypt they faced a death sentence for impersonating the royal family...!
It worked...they couldn't go back.
Circumciseing women is right up there with controling livestock and the results are about as 'exciting' for everyone involved...admittedly, I've known a couple of women who...o'h never mind!
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As for female circumsion, what do you expect from religious cultures that are retarded by about 700 years?
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Maybe I'm wrong but if you're talking about male circumsion in islam, don't they usually carry out circumsion a week after the birth. If so then the kid's hardly gonna remember the pain so I don't think it really matters.
All the muslims I know are fine about being circumsized (not that I go round asking everyone!)
Just one question, why are you all so damning about Islam??
I read that thread entitled the Muslim Religion and everyone putting it down when they know nothing about it
And diesel, what the hell are you on, I don't know where you get that shit from but I doubt VERY much that that is how a circumsion is performed.
By the way Allah has a 'h' on the end. Not that you care but it was pissing me off!
In Islam it is according to tradition after a boy has hit 13 (though it does differ within the different groups).
Diesel, where have you read that? I highly doubt that this is the usual way this takes place.
But you say that you took religious[sic] studies, what did your teacher tell you exactly about the subject?
All I know is that all the lads I know had it done just after they were born.
I remember now, we were told that Ismail was 13 when cicumsised, you were right.
I'm still adament that what diesel said is a load of shit though!
Female circumcision is completley barbaric. this is where they remove a womans clitoris and usually its done without anaesthetic or proper surgical equipment.
What I really meant was if the kid doesn't remember it then its not gonna really affect them mentally.
Like I said, all the muslim guys I know are fine about being circumsised.
I'd never agree with female circumsion though, that is fucked up.
Don't mind me if sometimes I start to go off on one defending islam, it just pisses me off the way everyone puts it down all the time.
Of course, Diesel doesnt mention that its a cultural thing rather than a religious thing.
As for male mutilation....Well I think its barbaric and as some of you may remember, I have strong thoughts on mothers who put their babies through that....If a guy wants to have it done of his own accord when hes older then thats fair enough, one of my friends has had it done...He said it was pure agony at 26 years old so i dread to think what it must feel like for a baby...
Circumcising a baby boy is no different to cutting off his ear or nose...Brutal, barbaric and belongs back in the dark ages.
So following that logic, a child wont remember its parent beating it as a child? Can someone get away with beating the shit out of their kid for the first few months of life? After all, they cant remember so it wont affect them mentally right?
I think there is some difference.
Just because something isnt remembered does not make it ok....Take date rape for example....Is that ok if the girl doesnt remember?
I don't really have any particular beliefs of whether male circumsion is right or wrong, but as all my male muslim friends are fine about it, then I guess I am too.
Can I just ask you one thing Balddog, kind of off the subject, but why did you say that islam is shit?
It was on some other topic i know but I just wondered?
Female circumcision is an islamic cultural thing shared differently throughout islam...the further into Africa and the land of the slave raiders the more brutal...the more civilized...if such can be said of any islamic, merely clip a bit of skin off the tip of the clittoris!
Ol mohammed (the profit) took a wife who was only six...consimated the marrage when she turned nine...just the perverted leader of the babbletalkers at work.
I don't have any knowledge on the private life of The Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) but I thought it was common practice in those days for girls to marry real young, maybe a 6 year old is abit extreme but what do I know!?
And for your information islamics (or muslims as they are more commonly known) are civilized so shut the hell up!
What do you expect? You live in England....
Do you expect the people living in the depths of africa to take their baby girls to hospital to get them circumcised? Even though A) its illegal even there and b) they dont have any hospitals.
Do you think that someone happy to slice off their daughters clitoris is really gonna be too concerned about sterilising their instruments?
Any multiation of a child in religious or cultural grounds is barbaric. There is no longer any excuse, "tradition" isn't enough.
im sorry but its true unfortunatley.
female circumcision
thank God its illegal in many countries.
Hey, what about male circumcision? You'd think that a 'surgical procedure' that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives on a yearly basis would be illegal, too, wouldn't you? You'd be wrong.
I agree, i dont agree with male circumcision unless for medical reasons either. ESPECIALLY on babies who have no say. the foreskin on a baby is actually attached to the head of the penis, it doesnt roll back like it does on an adult, so they would have to cut it away, its not just a case of snipping it off. the fact that in some cultures they do it without anaesthetic on a tiny newborn, beggars belief. the poor baby boy wouldnt understand why somebody was hurting him and slicing a bit of his body off.
its a different issue that female circumcision though. female circumcision would be the equivalent of cutting a boys whole penis off rather than just the foreskin.
I thought babies would be too young to anaesthetize....The babies scream in agony here anyway, so i guess they dont.
As for circumcision, in hospital we will only do them if medically required and under anaesthetic...
Relgious [zealots?] don't have such consideration...the welfare of the child isn't their concern...
[edited to add: Does anyone think that the actual moment of skin removal is the only time that pain is felt? It lasts for days...]
Nellyluva2, I would never talk to you in such a manner. As for the islamics...while I do not consider any of them civilized I have found many to be very pleasant to visit with and those I have had for tenants were much cleaner and better 'houskeepers' than the American I usually rent to.
Unlike some who may post here I have read the qu'ran and much other islamic literature and visit several islamic bbs on a regular basis...I have found nothing that would cause me to think that collectively they are anything more than the enemy of all maniind intent upon destroying that which they can't have for themselves.
Not a put down, just an observation of the way things are! They can't stand or abide anything or anyone they can't control...the only reason for female circumcision is control of the sex in a culture which I personally find to be barbaric.
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