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You have the question.....you now have the link. Don't be lazy.
Swearing is subjective and can be unhelpful, that's true.
Derailing a thread to push an agenda is equally unhelpful to the OP, though.
I've looked at the link, it is not clear. This is your point of view, you want to change minds. You say we're childish, but I'm trying STILL to understand, and you've called me lazy.
I'm sick of it. No-one else wants to play anymore fluxed. Answer questions, learn to debate, or go away.
I would rather trust a man who does not live in luxury or palaces,
but within his means. A man who tells us substantial facts about
the monarchy and the truth of our history.
He also makes predictions about the governments ,which have all be proven true.
It is a simple choice - the monarchy or a normal man.
Apparently the modern prophet is Billy Meier, a psychic who retains contacts with extra-terrestrial beings who tell him how earthlings should act in order to return to their care. Apparently he's also transcribed the conversations he's had with these beings (rather like how the Bible was written, transcription by humans) and has taken some of the clearest UFO pictures ever.
Agenda? show me where i derail?
What have you to offer?
Like what?
Piccolo has already answered the OP with regards to her ponderings about depression and religion. Where do you mention depression and its effect on faith in your posts?
You arfe so fucking dumb. This thread is about the OPs relationship with God, as i said in my previous post until some sad fucking twat comes along and derails it wanking his nut again about the masons, monarchy and the fucking Egyptians.
I'm trying to work out if you're trolling, mentally ill or just a fucking prick.
And don't go on about childish, you started throwing insults e.g. div a long time ago you dick.
I think religion to everyone is different in a sense. Personally i have 'a' faith. I believe we all have someone watching over us who wishes to protect and guide us, which may be a super being or in fact my be a creation of our imaginations, but does it really matter as i think if you believe something is there to guide and support you it will be and will stay with you. Even if it is not 'real' it still has the power to make some people feel secured and protected and guided. To me that's all that really matters. In some of my lowest times this faith i am not alone has kept me going. Although i admit recently it has faltered slightly.
The religion as a whole i do try to go to churches for company and they are usually a welcoming community. But have been kicked out of them for the way me family was and me sexuality.
I really do believe religion is a personal thing and differs between people.
Show me the derail, which is not to do with god.....womble?
They just did.
my own father thinks i deserve to wish i was never born...
No one deserves to feel horrible and miserable and being forced to turn to god wont make you believe. I know he's your dad but tbh don't listen to what he's saying its rubbish.
And i don't get half the posts on here are about, kinda hoping its not just me :L
crack maggot
He's wrong. Piccolo is planning a more considered reply. But until then. He's wrong, very very wrong.
However, I lost my faith in Christianity after a number of years as a energetic believer in my late teens and early twenties.
After a LOT of searching in other religions, I have come to the conclusion that there is NO god, or certainly, not one that is aware, or cares, for what happens on Earth. In other words, the 6000+ gods that are followed on Earth are just hollow gestures by our forebears at trying to understand our life, purpose and the universe.
Just because we don't have answers (such as what came before the Big Bang etc) doesn't mean that 'God did it'. It just means we do not, and may never, currently understand the processes that brought our universe into being.
Arguing that because we cannot prove there is no god is as silly as trying to prove there are no unicorns or fairies. The onus is on a benevolent being, who is purportedly to be on 'our side', to prove their existence.
So what, therefore, is the meaning of life? There is no 'meaning'. Life just is. Our advantage as human beings with critical thought etc, is to cherish this planet and all the life on it, not for any gain the afterlife, but just because the natural world is just so freakin' awesome. :thumb:
I have been an atheist for about 5 years and I have NEVER been happier. If you ever want a more in depth chat, let me know.
With all due respect, if I started proselytising here about my faith I would rightly be asked to stop. This thread is about talking through some philosophical and relational questions the OP has not about converting people.
Alice, all I can really add is to agree with Swaggy, people are very short-sighted about their own faith and often can't understand why someone would choose something different. I'm sure your dad doesn't mean to hurt you
Fair comment, piccolo, although I was not intending to proselytise here, just more to offer her some hope that if she does lose her faith because of her experiences, there is nothing to despair about.
Equally, whether good or bad things happen in the world is also immaterial to the question of whether there is a god. It's only relevant if you presume a god that not only gives a continuing shit about the thing it's created, but is also moral rather than amoral or even immoral (as we'd understand it). But, of course, these questions can easily become an issue when talking about a particular god you might believe in. After all, there isn't a religion in the world (to my knowledge) that doesn't presume that their god is not only moral, but the definition of morality. And then the difficult questions for those particular gods become issues of child and animal suffering, as well as natural disasters, none of which can be explained away as examples of humans fucking it up themselves.
Just because we can come up with a question doesn't mean the question makes sense. I could equally ask "What is the meaning of yellow?" There's nothing profound about it.
The "meaning of life" is simply a loaded question that presupposes an intelligent creator, since to have a meaning, you need to have something/one with intentions. That's why we can ask about the meaning of a painting, but we can't ask about the meaning of a tree.
Perhaps people place too much precedence on things we don't know about, rather than things we do know about.
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Just wanted to let you know I've been in touch with Alice privately.
Now might be an apt time for people to reflect on what life really means to them...God or no God
Cheers for flagging whowhere.
I've spoken to many people that were brought up in various different religions, that go through life, learn, grow and evolve as individuals and find that their 'life view' no longer fits within the framework or structure imposed on them by their religion. This can be a very confusing and frustrating time, especially when family members cannot relate or understand where you're coming from. :banghead:
One thing I am discovering for myself, is that life itself tends to throw a number of lessons your way (both good and bad) and you can learn from them all. Some of these lessons will make you question your beliefs, some of them will reinforce your existing beliefs, but the important part of all this is to remember that you are an individual.
Your life experiences and lessons will shape you as an individual and your view of the world doesn't necessarily have to fit within an existing structure (or religious set of teachings). Try not to feel guilty if some of the things you've noticed in life, or learnt about, don't seem to "fit in" with what you have always been told to be true. This is a perfectly natural part of growing up and developing your personality and individuality.