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But that's not because the men have the "right" to beat them.
For noting
Not the legal right, perhaps, but there are sometimes situations in closed communities where the police basically let them get on with it and it's seen as interfering or even racist to "impose our values" on them. I don't know if this is the case with these communities in the UK, but it's not exactly unheard of with minorities worldwide. The police have certainly admitted in the past to being very careful about investigating crimes in certain communities for fear of appearing racist. And if the police aren't going to do anything about a particular crime, then they effectively do have the right to carry on with it.
And the problem you have (perfectly demonstrated on this thread) is that the definition of race is fairly fluid and often massively interwoven with cultural practices, which as far as I'm concerned, are fair game for criticism. So naturally, you end up with a situation where legitimate criticism of cultural traits or practices is condemned as racism, but equally, people with racist motivations will use negative cultural practices (which every culture has) to attack a particular race of people and stir up hatred against them.
Specifically on the school issue, even if these communities did value education to the degree we all hope they would, they're still not going to have a great time of it. The reality of a community that constantly moves around is that there is going to be zero stability for their children. There would be no opportunity for a qualified teacher to get to know the student and see their progress over a long period of time. The child would have to make new friends at every new school, which is hard enough even when you don't come from a discriminated against minority. I suspect the most effective solution, at least at a young age, would be to assign teachers specifically to that community, but that would be an expensive solution, and no doubt wouldn't go down very well with the generally public, when the widespread perception is that these communities don't pay taxes in the first place. And it probably still wouldn't produce as good results as the general population.
I can SEE why its a vicious cycle, and that its a difficult problem to solve, in fact i think it will only be solved IN their own community because of the distrust towards non gypsies, which probably means it wont happen for a long long time. The ingrained culture IS one of domestic violence, slavery, removal of outside influences from an early age, anti divorce., its like patriarchy x100
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKVN_0qvuhhw
It's not racist to say Travellers have problem with domestic violence, illiteracy or crime, as it's not racist to say Pakistani communities have problem with forced marriage and honor killings. But not all Romani people are wife beaters or thrives, and not all Pakistanis force their daughters to marry or kill them if the 'dishonor' their family.
It is racist to call people a dirty gypo or a filthy paki. And it is racist to put up signs saying no travellers at the entrance to your property - something that still goes on in this country today.
Worth noting too that not all Romani people live a nomadic lifestyle. Many of the Gypsies I went to school with live in houses or on the fixed site just up the road.
EDIT: SCC read your post backward, as "isn't it?"
What would be wrong with a sign saying No Trespassing or No Parking rather than singling out Travellers.
Anyway that's not what I meant. I was referring to the practice of Pubs and other establishments putting No Traveller signs at the entrance.
And there's nothing wrong with a sign saying no tresspassers.
They cant have it both ways. Its pretty much impossible to live a nomadic lifestyle in such an overpopulated country
Councils used to have a statutory duty to provide sites for nomadic Gypsy and Traveller families, but not anymore, and would now rather spend small fortunes each year evicting them. Gypises will quite often try to buy land themselves that they can use but due to cuntish NIMBY's, 90% of planning applications by Romanis and travellers are initially refused by local councils, compared with a national average of 20% for other applicants.
So they can't buy land for themselves to live on, and people won't tolerate them even when they're living on authorized sites.
There is a massive problem with prejudice against them in this county - something like 1 in 3 people are openly prejudiced against Travellers.
like with Dale farm
:yes: I've always been shocked at the number of people I know who are liberal and fair in every respect but have a prejudice against travellers for no reason.
There are some who have had bad experiences with traveller camps, true, but any group has a shitty sub-section.
I think someone touched upon ethnicity, which I think is very true and very relevant, especially when you examine paintings of redheaded women in Pre-Raphaelite paintings, or models like Lily Cole, who have a very distinctive appearance (beyond red hair) which was typical of Northern Europe over the past few centuries. You could argue, that we were never really a multicultural country due to the way that redheads have been treated.
As for history, as someone else mentioned, yes a lot of it goes back to witches - if you had red hair, you were a witch, and then killed.
Someone else has mentioned that it cannot be considered racism until someone's housing, employment, or being refused help has been taken away or such a process disrupted or halted. Who's to say that this hasn't happened? Just because you don't hear about it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. For argument's sake, I can count a number of people on two hands that I personally know that have been discriminated against in terms of job prospects and renting apartments.
I think a lot of people put it down to stupidity of other people not having anything better to have a go at a redhead for, but at the same time it doesn't make it any less hurtful. Kids get bullied, some develop mental health problems as a result of the shame and embarrassment that they've been forced into feeling, some have killed themselves. However, many redheads don't get bullied, don't get a hard time in any area of life and certainly haven't felt like taking their own lives.
Either way, it is a prejudice, in my opinion, that should have no place in today's British society.
Punk...the Heyman/CM moment on Monday was true heart-wrenching
during the England match again Hungary the racism towards Raheem striling was horrific how uncomfortable he must have felt. it should be equal for each and everyone of us and our race/colour shouldn't affect anyone else, we all deserve to live our life without hate about our race and it bugs me after the #BLM's production that people are still being horrible to others.
no way should anyone make anyone else uncomfortable whether their white,mixed race or black it shouldn't matter, don't like it move on simple.
sorry -
summer
Uh, what's gingerism? Is that discrimination against ginger people?Cause if so, that's horrible! I love ginger people! 😍
-Ash 1