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Britain stays in European Union- cost & bureacracy from Brussels
Britain leaves: implications for our economy
PM Cameroon says after the next General election if his party wins the country will have a referendym on whether or not to remain in the EU
Britain leaves: implications for our economy
PM Cameroon says after the next General election if his party wins the country will have a referendym on whether or not to remain in the EU
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I don't know about you, but I haven't seen any increased clamour for the UK to leave the EU since the 80s. So why hold this now?
But another thing, the Lib Dems/Conservative party, are not going to win the next election.
No really they're not.
Lib Dems might aswell pack there bags and fuck off, because even UKIP has more seats.
Conservative will lose to Labour.
^I bet £100 on that happening, and if it's wrong. You have my word i'll donate it to TheSite (or a charity of their choice).
I don't where you've been, but that clamour is pretty big (the UKIP is now polling over the Lib Dems at time). There's certainly a large percentage of people who'd want to leave (possibly a majority, possibly not) and an even bigger percentage who whilst not wanting to leave would certainly want a more eurosceptic position.
Sure, it's a popular decision with the Conservative grassroots and the wider electorate, but given he's a politician in a democracy that seems a good reason for doing something rather than just relying on this weird belief that getting the support of voters is a bad thing.
To be fair. The LibDems have plummeted, not because of their EU stance but their role in Govt. UKIP are taking from the Tories if anywhere.
Not sure it's that popular in the wider electorate, but it certainly is in the Tory grassroots. I'm not sure either that the result will end the debate. Skeptics will still be skeptical, pro-EU will still be pro-EU. If we leave there will be arguments to go back in, if we stay there will be arguments to leave.
This isn't driven by long term benefits, but by short term personal issues.
For me, I'm an undecided on the actual issue. I can see both sides of the argument (whatever, I'm totally anti-euro), but of all the things discussed in circle I'm in, poverty, cuts, economy, triple dip, crime, immigration etc are much more likely to be topic than membership of the EU.
That wasn't really my point; more that a party who's raison d'etre is to leave the EU is possibly the third most popular party in the UK (Also as an aside the polling evidence seems to suggest that while they do pull from the Tories, they also pull from the others as well, Labour voters are often as eurosceptic as Tory)
All politics is personal and if not now, when?
Whilst I'm not against kicking cans down the road (I'm a senior Civil Servant - its what I do for a living ) , eventually you run out of road or the can disintegrates. The fact is the EU has been a festering sore for forty years (and worse since the eighties) and whilst it may not end it, it may well do because the referendum is only part of the equation. The other part is the renegotiation and if Cameron can get an EU that fits more with what the British want (and he may be pushing at an open door, it's a myth that everyone else are massive fans of the current structure) the boil may be lanced (or at least reduced to a pimple)
I'd be happy to be in a looser EU (such as what we voted for), so it will depend on what was on offer.
However, of your list straight of my head I can think of the following EU links
cuts - the recent stabilisation Cameron refused to sign up to (and was criticised for by Miliband) committed its members to 0.5 % structural deficit which is much lower than the Government' is aiming for (at least in the short and medium term)
economy, triple dip - whilst its not only the Euro crisis (for my mind the rising price of commodities especially oil was mainly to blame) the Europe and are links to it are not an insignificant factor
immigration - whilst some of the reporting is at the wider flights of fantasy (I'm thinking of the Guardian and it's piece a few days about the UK advertising how shit we are to deter immigration) a large part of recent immigration is a direct result of the EU.
It seems you may all be talking about Europe after all;)
thing is politicians aren't qualified to make such a mammoth decision either- MPs and ministers don't belong to a superior race nor have bigger brains- do you trust them not to ruin everyone's lives?
seconded- another power seeking political ploy
thing is Britain has been member of Common market/EU for 40 years - no one knows when they talk of us leaving. How a UK exit would affect us or the rest of Europe. It's pure speculation and no concrete knowing
Which puts them miles ahead of the daily mail reader. I stand by my statement.
Out of the frying pan, into the fire?
Greece, Spain etc... All these fantastic people who are
suffering at the hands of the politicians who should be representing
them.
it should be evident to people that this is the 'new world order' attemting to 'consolidate' all power into one location - Europe.
Do people forget that we have been divided whilst the monarchs of each European country are all together and the same family?
We are all of the same but have a different tongue and have been led to believe we are all different, better, stronger, more clever - BULL CRAP.
A flag means nothing. Only to those despot monarchs.
We must all work towards true independence away from
devils who rule over us ( monarchs ).
Do we forget what these ruling families have been upto over
the 100's of dynasties?
Please remember people - all the royal families of this world are of
the same root. They are one big family due to interbreeding over
the centuries. They own the lands. The mineral lands.
They make the laws via the freemasons with they head and this
applies to Europe, UK & USA - the USA was founded by freemasons.
Where do people stand on an EU referendum now? UKIP doing so well