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'Is it the girls fault for wearing a short skirt'
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and how exactly does a girl dress 'slutty?'
this whole post is ridiculous. your example of how you got beat up because you were dressed a bit alternatively is absolutely nothing to do with a girl dressing in a short skirt and getting raped. you were just targeted by some small minded jackasses. would you say then if a male went to a gay club dressed in very little clothing and he got raped that it was his fault?
I think you have some issues.
There is no justification, except what goes through some sicko's head.
But if a crime is committed it is the criminal who is 100% at fault every time.
If a girl is raped then the rapist is 100% at fault.
The argument "short skirts are arousing therefore rape" is a ridiculous argument. It's basically saying that men are too stupid and weak-willed to be able to look at a sexy woman in sexy clothing without feeling the need to force their penis inside her. Now speaking as a man, I'd say that was utter bullshit, I'm perfectly capable of seeing hot girls without having uncontrollable urges to put my penis inside them. I may want to sex them but I'd ask them first. I always retain full control of where my John Thomas goes to play.
If you can't see a girl without being all rapey then I would politely suggest you have serious psychiatric issues and you should be detained indefinitely for our safety. And if you have all the self-control of a toddler sticking jam sandwiches in a DVD player perhaps we should take your little toy off you.
*twitch*
*twitch*
You *know* this, do you? Point me to evidence, please?
You don't know this statistically because I'm afraid it's bullshit:
Sauce.
As an aside, please tell me how a "slut" dresses? Or even what a slut IS?
I actually agree with this. It shouldn't happen, but it does, and as Skive says, taking precautionary measures to reduce the risk to yourself is not a stupid thing to do. But that doesn't make it anybody's fault but the offender's if they choose to offend - whether the girl is wearing her underwear in the street or a nun's habit.
The only factor in being raped is that someone decided to rape you.
You were beaten up because someone chose to beat you up. They are at fault here.
Knowing the risks and choosing to take them anyway doesn't make it your fault, it just means you know the risks. Wearing a certain style of clothing in an area where people are judgemental doesn't make it your fault if you're attacked. It may make it more likely, but the fault still lies with the attacker. 100%. The only thing that will make a woman more likely to be raped is if she comes across someone who decides to rape her. That's all.
She didn't deserve it...but it's her fault? Silly girl for thinking that people were decent human beings!
Nobody ENCOURAGES rape. Nobody. Ever. A woman is just as likely to get raped in strict Muslim countries wearing a niqab as they are walking through the park in a mini skirt. A woman is just as likely to be raped (in fact more so, since they are inherently more vulnerable) if she is elderly as she is if she's in her 20's.
The only factor in a woman's rape is her rapist, as it is for men and children. The only person responsible in *any way* is the rapist. There is no fault with the victim. None. Reducing the risk to herself is her own choice but if she wants to wear a miniskirt and stilettos she should be able to without being at risk of groping or harassment or attack.
And ffs there is no such thing as a "slut". Eugh.
Like Skive said, it's the fault of the rapist NOT the victim.
Or what few anti-rape ads we have focus on the criminal consequences, rather than the act being repulsive for other reasons.
Exactly.
There's nothing hotter than a sexy lady demanding that you sex her. I think anti-rape campaigns highlighting this fact, and highlighting the fact that people who want to sex a comatose body are a bit weird, can only be a good thing.
But what I really don't understand is the idea that a short skirt = asking for it. "hop on big boy" is consent, passing out drunk at a party is not. And do men really not have enough self control to keep their dick in their pants? Haway.
It's a good argument to use in court to get acquitted of rape, sure, but men who rape damn well know they're raping.
Exactly this.
Not that I agree with the OP's views, but you're wrong there: It's basically saying that some men are too stupid and weak-willed to be able to look at a sexy woman in sexy clothing without feeling the need to force their penis inside her. Which isn't exactly wrong...
No, I think AR is right, the message is as offensive to men because it teaches women to be scared of any man indescriminately.
"She was wearing a short skirt and I couldn't help myself" only works as an excuse if it is accepted that all men are similarly weak willed. Therefore anyone who attempts to use this excuse is basically saying that all men are weak-willed rapists who don't understand the difference between showing a bit of thigh and screaming "ride me big boy". If they knew what they were doing was wrong then this excuse wouldn't wash.
Of course this is utter bollocks. Most men understand the difference between showing some cleavage and consenting to sex. Hence why most men are not rapists.
And they say it's the "feminists" who have a poor opinion of men...
With that said, I'll throw out my own opinion about 'sexy' clothes. Short shorts, etc. The problem I have with the 'sexy' clothing on women (and young teens) is the fact that, like it or not men are not created equal to women. Men in most cases can not help themselves and have to look, which in turn almost automatically creates 'fantasies' of said woman. To sum this up quickly.. this leads to an increase of lust, which in turn leads to increased cheating and men being overall unsatisfied with their current significant other.
So it's womens fault that men cheat too?
Re-read what I posted. I said men are not equal to women. Men are very visual and in turn when they are bombarded with women wearing skimpy/sexy clothing, they are more inclined to 'want' more from their significant other. In lamens terms - they get turned on. So yes, I think women wearing skimpy clothing increases the percentage of men that cheat.
Er, what?
Most men who ogle a woman in a short skirt do so for about half a second then move on. Most men, whilst being unable to prevent themselves having a peek, are able to restrain themselves. I can't imagine many men suffering a relationship breakdown after seeing a pretty young thing in a pair of hotpants.
If your thought process goes "nice arse > rapey rapey" then you are a sick bastard.
That's just retarded. It's in fact like the muslim way of viewing the world. Women are covered so men don't have to control themselves. What complete horseshit.
Furthermore, women are very visual too, my girlfriend damn near broke her neck trying to look at my arse and boobs at the same time the other nice.
You couldn't pull black kids out of class and explain why theft was wrong, and you shouldn't be able to do it to boys either.
As for skirts, well frankly its a ridiculous argument. I'm not sure why people even discuss it. Of course it's not the woman's fault. Short skirts probably have nothing to do with rape even as a causal factor. Alcohol certainly makes people more vulnerable though, and predators will target the Vulnerable. But that's not just rape, that's violent crime and assorted personal crimes too.
I would guess far more men get the shit kicked out of them when drunk than women who are raped when drunk, but as a society we are obsessed with the fragility and helplessness of women, in effect we put women in a perpetual state of victimhood, as we do with children.
I think that in itself is more offensive because we are saying that women are vulnerable and need rules / guidelines to be protected because they can't cater for themselves. But a guy getting shit faced and getting run over / beat up, people can accept that he made his own decision.
One thing I am genuinely curious about is why the rate of rape increases so dramatically in conflict areas. I'd assume if only a small proportion of people are rapists, gang rape and mass rape wouldn't be a thing. But even US soldiers are well documented as raping everything that moved in vietnam etc.
I honestly don't know the answer because it's two incongruous bits of knowledge for me: only a small minority of people are rapists (and will rape regardless of what you're wearing) and in areas where law and order breaks down, rape often becomes common as anything.
I think most people are capable of doing very cruel things if you put them in the right environment. But that's slightly different to what we're talking about here.
Control and power in a sexual relationship can be very arousing, just look at the BDSM community (or indeed just how much attention Fifty Shades of Shite has got). I think we can all agree on that, whether you're dom or sub or switch. But again that's very different.
In school, we were taught about equality, sure (and if you can rape somebody, you are a potential rapist to an individual capable of being raped, the same as if you have a gun and can use it, you have the potential to shoot somebody), but that isn't nowt to do with shame? I'd teach my kids not to rape, not to be bigoted ect because these attitudes exist in society.