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Former Member · July 2012

Arctic Roll wrote: »

Having everything waxed off just looks ridiculous though. It's not that it is childlike (a little girl's vulva is very different anyway) it's that it mostly looks like the last turkey in the shop on Christmas Eve. Sexy it ain't.

Exactly. And it looks awful growing back, especially if anything ends up ingrown.

I keep it neat, but I'm not taking it off and I wouldn't ask my partner to (equally, if she proper hated having hair I wouldn't insist she grew it - her body, her rules).

Former Member · July 2012

Skive, agree its all subjective. But that is what bothers me: there's now an expectation that it is done, is stopped being about personal preference. That's just really sad.

Indrid Cold · July 2012

Arctic Roll wrote: »

Skive, agree its all subjective. But that is what bothers me: there's now an expectation that it is done, is stopped being about personal preference. That's just really sad.

If you think about it, there's lots, lots of thing that have gone down that road in society.

Former Member · July 2012

Its all about commodification. Create something pointless, create an invented problem then watch the bucks roll in.

When the beauty salon down the road offer "schoolgirl specials" to u16s who stop to get their foof waxed before 4.30pm you know something has gone badly wrong

Former Member · July 2012

arctic roll wrote: »

when the beauty salon down the road offer "schoolgirl specials" to u16s who stop to get their foof waxed before 4.30pm you know something has gone badly wrong

Really?! Gross.

Edit: Hmmm I typed that in outraged capitals and it was modified when I posted... interesting.

Former Member · July 2012

board has done that for a long time. the script Capitalises Every Word, Which Is How You Can Tell Someone Left Their Caps Lock On.

Former Member · July 2012

but how can I be properly outraged without leaving caps on?

Former Member · July 2012

Like this?

Former Member · July 2012

Arctic Roll wrote: »

Skive, agree its all subjective. But that is what bothers me: there's now an expectation that it is done, is stopped being about personal preference. That's just really sad.

Is the 'expectation that its done' thing really true?

Also, its led as much by demand as anything else. Since young girls have existed, young girls have seeked to do things they thought would make them look prettier.

I do 100% agree that the advertising targeted at youngsters is imbalanced and unfair, but I don't think every girl is expected to have waxed her vagina to hairless honestly.

Former Member · July 2012

Linking it back to having sex for the first time, I would argue that the expectation is strongest to have the perfect body and a vagina that resembles a zen garden because of the lack of experience.

Former Member · July 2012

But why do they think that it makes them "prettier"? It isn't something that was the case even ten or fifteen years ago. What's changed, apart from the easy availabilty of porn and the move of porn into being a fashion statement?

I just find it depressing that an entire beauty industry has grown out of the need for porn films to show dicks being pushed in.

I work with students and, from what I hear, I think there is that expectation. The boys see it in the porn films, the girls see it in the porn films, all their sex education comes from the porn films. It's seen as something you do.

Former Member · July 2012

Arctic Roll wrote: »

I just find it depressing that an entire beauty industry has grown out of the need for porn films to show dicks being pushed in.

I work with students and, from what I hear, I think there is that expectation. The boys see it in the porn films, the girls see it in the porn films, all their sex education comes from the porn films. It's seen as something you do.

Yep, that's my impression. And not just porn, but the soft porn scenes finding their way into mainstream telly.

Former Member · July 2012

piccolo wrote: »

Yep, that's my impression. And not just porn, but the soft porn scenes finding their way into mainstream telly.

On mainstream TV (and I can't think of an exception) you'll always see bush precisely so you can't see pussy and in porn that's also why they generally got rid of hair was so they could see cunt (which is why as societal standards relaxed you'll see a move from seeing nothing to seeing titties in Playboy to seeing hair to seeing everything)

Former Member · July 2012

To an extent: in the 60s nude women on TV had to be shaved because it was seen as less depraved.

Former Member · July 2012

The thing is, at least for me (and maybe by extension women) that sometimes not seeing something, is just as arousing. Anyone been watching Lip Service? You never see what's going on, but it's just as effective.

Skive · July 2012

Arctic Roll wrote: »

But why do they think that it makes them "prettier"?

It's just how fashions change. Yes it is almost certainly influenced by porn films, but then different medias have always influenced the population. People copy what they see on other people, on TV, on screen, even on a porn DVD. That's human nature.

How is shaving off your bush because you like what you see on a porn DVD any worse than getting you hair cut like Rachel in Friends? It's ok to shave your face, legs, under arms etc but shaving your pubic region is too far?

We've been altering our appearance for thousands of years to fit in socially with one another, it's a normal thing to do. And fashions change, but as long as what we do doesn't actually do anybody harm (like foot binding) I can't see any problem.

Former Member · July 2012

I'm not sure that there's anything "wrong" with trimming the lady garden or shaving your legs because other people do it.

However, the worrying issue it pressure it puts on young people. I trim my chuff, I like to keep it short because it's easier to keep clean. But I started shaving under my arms and my legs because by friends had. But again, I feel cleaner when I have, so I carry on.

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