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19 year old girl disguises as three different male personalities to date girls.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087804/Gemma-Barker-19-disguised-boy-date-GIRLS.html#comments
What a strange story. I can't completely get my head around that one, either there's bs in the story or that's a bloody good actress, even if she was manipulative.
I am a bit confused by some of her charges, though. Fraud? Unless there was financial gain made from dating these girls I do not see how she committed fraud apart from the "criminal injury". Lots of people fake their details, genders, pictures, etc online, I never thought that was fraud.
What a strange story. I can't completely get my head around that one, either there's bs in the story or that's a bloody good actress, even if she was manipulative.
I am a bit confused by some of her charges, though. Fraud? Unless there was financial gain made from dating these girls I do not see how she committed fraud apart from the "criminal injury". Lots of people fake their details, genders, pictures, etc online, I never thought that was fraud.
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After doing a bit of research it all revolves around the issue of consent. For a sexual assault to take place the victim needs to have not given consent or to have withdrawn it. If the girls consented to sexual relations based on the belief that this girl is actually a boy, and if the offender continued the relationship despite knowing that consent would be removed if the truth about their identity were known would be comitting an assault.
This is my interpretation, based on there being little information in the story, so I could be way off and she's been done for grooming or something.
I onle had a quick glance at the article so maybe she is but... i dunno
Depends. If you're going to for example set up a business online as a girl when you're a guy that's fraud but if you're just using a girls name because you're in the same situation as me then it's not fraud. I hope that helped.
Whether this girl should be on trial is, of course, a completely different matter. From what I've read, and only what I've read, I'd say that- yet again- the CPS lawyer who agreed to prosecute is a fucking idiot wasting my money on pointless bollocks.
If she were a 19 year old lad contacting 15 year old boys on the internet, pretending to be a girl so he could meet up with them for sex, what would you think then?
If they lied about their identity in order to have sex with you, then yes. How would you feel if after meeting a woman, you've had sex then afterwards you find she is actually a man? I know I'd be quite upset.
Where does it stop? Sexual assault because you say you don't have a girlfriend? Haway. The lesson for these kids- one a lot of people would do well to remember- is get to know someone before you start having sexual relations with them.
This prosecution is a complete waste of time and money and the criminal justice system is rather short of both.
If a 19 year old boy was contacting 15 year old boys for sex, whilst pretending to be girl, I'd mostly be wondering how unobservant the younger one was. How many girls have a cock and balls?
As Artic Roll says - not in the case of a transexual who isn't actually 'lying' about their identity:
She isn't being prosecuted because the girls got upset, she is being prosecuted because she entered into sexual relationships with 3 people, at least 1 who was underage by lying about her identity. Like I said, it's about consent. Would these girls have consented to have embarked on a sexual relationship if this girl had told them she was female, I think not. hence, implied consent is withdrawn and the girl has comitted an offence.
Use a fake picture on facebook, begin the relationship, groom the younger person and then take advantage of them. Whilst rare, it still happens. I do enough internet safety lessons using real life case studies to know that unfortunately.
Obviously, getting to know someone is important, but how many adults do you know who actually get to know someone properly before having sex, and you expect children to do the same?
The girl told lies and was very deceitful, but at the end of the day it takes to two to tango and the girls in question should have been a bit more wary of what they were doing and more importantly who they were doing it with (How they couldn't tell is beyond me btw)
Unless she forced herself on the girls I really don't see where the crime is? In the case of the two 16 year olds anyway....the underage girl is obviously an exception.
Define "problem". Was what she did was morally reprihensible and pretty twisted? Most definitely....
Was it a crime? I don't think so.
People misrepresent themselves all the time in order to get sex do they not?
This.
Okay I agreed on the first paragraph.
All stories are strange when they're about people who have multipul identities but that's what's interesting about them.
I don't think it is morally acceptable behaviour. But is it any different to the man who takes his wedding ring off when out on the pull, or the woman who "doesn't do photos" on internet dating websites to hide the fact she has a partner and three kids at home?
We wouldn't be having this argument if this girl was actually a boy and shagging three different lasses on the go without telling them. It's unlikely three teenage girls would agree to have sex with a boy if they knew he was also shagging their two best mates at the same time. I don't think it is for the law to decide shades of grey- either lying should be illegal or not. And lying about your wife at home is lying to obtain sex.
Essentially you're arguing that lying should be a criminal offence. Cheating is a shitty thing to do but an illegal thing to do? Haway.
Yes. That fact that one was underage makes it quite a different story.
But that's not a comparable situation. What if it were a 19 year old man pretending to be a girl to get sex from 15 year old boy? You don't think the law should be involved in that?
I also don't even consider an 18 or 19 year old to be a man or woman, even if we are legally adults, it just doesn't sound right lol.
She hasn't been charged with having sex with a minor, she's been charged with obtaining sex by deception.
No, I don't, for exactly the same reason. I think men and women are both equally capable of being predatory sex offenders and I don't go in for treating them differently. But I don't think pretending to be another gender is any different to pretending to be single or pretending to have no kids.
If it was an older person trying to have sex with a younger person through deception then that's a different matter, because of the obvious power imbalance. But the law already recognises that.
"so you say you'd only ever have slept with him because he said he was an activist, we have here signed testimony that on at least 4 occasions you had sex with so and so". or "please explain your 2 year relationship with this man who was an accountant" e.t.c.
As for the police as a whole, how would you go about proving that sexual relationships were ordered? I can imagine the bosses saying the opposite tbh.
A girl having sex with someone she thought was a boy, much easier to prove she wouldn't have done if she knew it was a girl.
I hardly think its a criminal offence. I wouldnt like it, but if you sleep with someone you hardly know its a chance you take. Like someone lying about their age, or their marital status, or their job.
Put it down to experience. Morally wrong, but shouldnt be criminally wrong
I dunno how it would stand legally though.