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Do you think students should be forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance?
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I go to school in the U.S., and I am forced to say it everyday.
Now listen; I am loyal to this country. The Allegiance mentions God, and yes, I believe in God.
But what about the people that are not loyal to this country? There are illegal immigrants in my school. What about the people who do not believe in God? Or at least not the particular one God the majority of the world believes in?
I just don't think it's right that we should have to say this. It's very unfair. :no:
Do you agree with me?
Now listen; I am loyal to this country. The Allegiance mentions God, and yes, I believe in God.
But what about the people that are not loyal to this country? There are illegal immigrants in my school. What about the people who do not believe in God? Or at least not the particular one God the majority of the world believes in?
I just don't think it's right that we should have to say this. It's very unfair. :no:
Do you agree with me?
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Jesus wept.
That is true, but there are exceptions in the statute requiring that act of worship.
Some might say it's a form of brainwashing being forced to recite the same thing everyday
I sit in the back of my homeroom, and since the flag is in front, we always just stand up and do it, everyday. The principal actually gets on the loud speaker and does it for the whole school, and we have to repeat it. Since I'm in the back, I usually just stand there. I just feel too strongly about this. I mean, there are two illegal immigrants in my homeroom alone. (There used to be three, but one recently fled back to their homeland.) It's just not fair to these people...and not even that. It's so much more than that.
we used to have to say the lord's prayer in my C of E primary school, but the fellow pagans and sufi muslims that attended were allowed to say something else, or sit out.
I'd highly object, ok, i am resonably patriotic, but to wales (haha yeah the country i've only lived in for the first 3 and 1/2 years of my life, but still!), but still, i wouldn't pledge alligance- what are you...the hitler youth?
I'd take up a serious complaint with the principle if i were you. just because you live in a country doesn't mean you have to be faithful to it. plus, its incredibly intolerant of other faiths...
go tell him your a satanist, and thus you have to pledge allegence to yourself...that would stir it up...:p
I mimed singing hyms. What a rebel! I remember the Jehovahs Witnesses were allowed not to go to assembly.
Plus, most people in my town are Christian; not all, but most, and I know they will use this against me.
Doesn't that apply to Primary schools only?
we used to sing "hes got the whole world in his pants" instead of hes got the whole world in his hands
No, it applies to all registered pupils as defined by the statute.
You can always play this from the angle of being ultra-patriotic, and claiming that the pledge is in conflict with the great values upon which your country was founded. Thomas Jefferson wouldn't have stood for any of this crap, and certainly wouldn't have approved of the addition in 1954 of the "under God" bit of the pledge.
Not only that, but ANY pledge would be in conflict with the word of God. (The God of Abraham,that is)
Ah, thank you. This information will be of great use to me!
Frankly mandating the pledge of allegiance in public schools has generally been found to be illegal by the courts. But there's still a great deal of gray area. And generally students who resist are in for a rough couple of years. There's all kinds of horror stories about the school's administration going after students who refuse to recite the pledge. Often times it's much easier to just role your eyes and take the extra 30 seconds to recite it.
If you do decide not to recite the pledge, my advice to you is to remain respectful. Stand and remain silent, or stay seated and silent, don't heckle or call into question the validity of the pledge. Be ready to respond calmly if you are questioned about your actions. Think out reasons why you personally choose not to recite the pledge and try to avoid larger issues like immigration.
That is exactly what I am doing now.
Well now I'm just feeling left out. The most we did was count the number of days we'd been in school in first grade. I think I have abandoment issues now.
haha. You always have the option of saying the pledge on your own...
one on tuesday and one on friday..
the teachers always say say 'amen' to share the prayer and stuff but i never do because i never belived in god..ive been shouted at before but it hasnt effected me.