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Don't say "chav"

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LordGrace wrote: »
    No it shouldn't. Chavs aren't victims. Nobody's being abused and they have control of other peoples' views should they want them to change. Nobody goes around calling people chavs, it's used to refer to the stereotype, not as an abusive word deliberately meant to offend people which nigger is. You don't have to use nigger, you can just refer to black people. There is no alternative to chav, the alternative is to pretend that there's no difference between them and the rest of the working class. But to be honest I think that's unfair to the hardworking, good citizens of the working class who don't deserve to be referred to alongside these other unnamed individuals who are completely different.

    :crazyeyes

    Absolutely shocking, couldn't make it up if ya tried. I'm actually sick of explaining this stuff to you now. Read the thread again.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The feeling is mutual.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LordGrace wrote: »
    The feeling is mutual.

    Sorry but you haven't explained anything to me.
  • SkiveSkive Posts: 15,282 Skive's The Limit
    CoolMiguel wrote: »
    After reading a bit through this thread, i find it quite remarkable how people can tolerate using words that are derogatory towards a class or people. Do these same people also think its alright to use derogatory tersm against a race or is it also another leftist or pc conspiracy?

    Whats the diffrence between someone using terms to derogate a class as to a race?

    Or are they the same?

    I suppose one has a chance of changing ones class and not ones race (except for MJ) yet I think a derogatory word agaisnt a group of people is still a derogatory term against a group of people despite who or what an individual is like whom belong to that group.

    Its all bigotry I say and people who think bigotry is a virtuos behaviour should be ashamed of themselves.

    Word.
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  • SkiveSkive Posts: 15,282 Skive's The Limit
    A couple of intresting articles very much worth a read I think. Arguiing my point better than I can anyway.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2006/apr/11/comedy.pressandpublishing
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article515509.ece
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bremner, Bird & Fortune do a great sketch on class snobbery.
    No, you're wrong because we are flying club class. It's not us. The ones that pollute are all those chavs who go on Ryanair for 9p.
    :lol:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think very early on in this debate someone was able to get away with making the fallacious assertion that people consider the word 'chav' to be synonymous with 'working class'. It seems then this flawed base allowed people to make the argument that 'chav= derogatory term', 'working class = chav', ergo using the term 'chav' is an offensive slander of working class people; the outcry of class-snobbery occurs.

    'Chav' is a derogatory blanket term, and, like a lot of catch-all terms, it can promote lazy thinking. However, to equate it to 'working class' is patently absurd.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    'Chav' is a derogatory blanket term, and, like a lot of catch-all terms, it can promote lazy thinking. However, to equate it to 'working class' is patently absurd.

    That's what I think too. I am working class and I have never been called a 'Chav' and don't consider myself to be one either.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teagan wrote: »
    That's what I think too. I am working class and I have never been called a 'Chav' and don't consider myself to be one either.

    Yeh but I also said the intentionally or unintentionally it's a swipe at the working class.

    Phrases like "they live on their council estate" which has been used here seems to suggest that living on a council estate is a bad thing.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've always thought it's nothing to do with class, but style. the Middle Class (and Prince Harry) are as likely to dress and act like chavs as people from a deprived estate.

    Not that they're neccessarily bad - squaddies are often chav like, but if the chips are I'd rather have them and the fox-hunting aristos with me, than a stylishly dressed Guardanista
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's the message of a "think tank." What the fuck is a think tank, incidentally? Do they just get together to think? In a tank? Anyway, I digress:



    Story

    Chavs are disliked because they're yobbish. Few people in modern British are class oriented or claim to dislike lower social classes.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ilipintt wrote: »
    Chavs are disliked because they're yobbish. Few people in modern British are class oriented or claim to dislike lower social classes.

    Of course no-one claims to dislike lower social classes. No-one claims to be a racist either. Doesn't mean they aren't/don't.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Though amusingly it's acceptable to dislike people if they belong to a higher social class...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Though amusingly it's acceptable to dislike people if they belong to a higher social class...
    It's socially acceptable to do both. And there's no justification for either.
  • **helen****helen** Deactivated Posts: 9,235 Supreme Poster
    I know it's not good manners to bring up an old thread, but I just wanted to bring your attention to this rant about labelling as I thought people who contributed to this discussion might be interested. Thoughts welcome. :thumb:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    **Helen** wrote: »
    I know it's not good manners to bring up an old thread, but I just wanted to bring your attention to this rant about labelling as I thought people who contributed to this discussion might be interested. Thoughts welcome. :thumb:

    *yawn*

    Most of that labelling bollocks stops happening when you grow up a bit (usually when you leave school/college).

    I think we've been through this quite a few times now.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    g_angel wrote: »
    *yawn*

    Most of that labelling bollocks stops happening when you grow up a bit (usually when you leave school/college).

    I think we've been through this quite a few times now.

    Good job one of the taget audiences for TheSite is people in college then :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Labelling people is lazy, patronising and very insulting.

    And that's what makes it so much fun :yippe:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    **Helen** wrote: »
    I know it's not good manners to bring up an old thread, but I just wanted to bring your attention to this rant about labelling as I thought people who contributed to this discussion might be interested. Thoughts welcome. :thumb:

    Someone else who is aiming for a career in media / journalism :p. I am too cynical sometimes!


    However, after watching many of the interesting talks on TED, one of the basic human mental needs is to be in some kind of team. This supposedly comes from our tribal routes and a lot of people because segregated based on what football team they support, or what style of clothes they adhere to, what kind of music they listen to, what kind of job they have, whatever. It seems ingrained into us as a species, it's what makes us nationalistic and what makes us stand up in defence of our 'teammates' so to speak.

    I think you can probably train people not to use labels but it is a pretty natural albeit unpleasant part of human anatomy. I mean, it has it's good side too - we can form close bonds with people in our community and it develops our protective spirit. If one of your friends has some difficulties most of us will pick up the slack to look after them.

    Even after you leave college there will still be this group rivalry but probably between things such as jobs. Or even the government, there are few people that genuinely like the government and normally only criticise anyone who works for the government. I mean, I could say I know someone who is a liberal who believes people should be free to be who they like, won't prejudice against someone based on their clothes - but as soon as a debate about drug legalisation comes up they just bash bash bash on the government heh and the battlelines are drawn in the sand again.

    One person's point of view: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

    "the third moral foundation is what's called ingroup loyalty" @ 6.20
    "even when we don't have tribes we create them because they're fun - sports are to war what pornography is to sex"
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