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Forcing people to give up smoking
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Denying mental health patients the right to smoke.
To include mental health units in the smoking ban but exclude prisons seems extremely unfair.
The smoking ban excludes student halls of residence and prisons as it's effectively home for those that live there. I don't see why mental health patients should be treated differently to prisoners and students...
When people can't light up in their own private, personal space their human rights are being violated - two cases are being brought against NHS trusts, I hope they're successful...
To include mental health units in the smoking ban but exclude prisons seems extremely unfair.
The smoking ban excludes student halls of residence and prisons as it's effectively home for those that live there. I don't see why mental health patients should be treated differently to prisoners and students...
When people can't light up in their own private, personal space their human rights are being violated - two cases are being brought against NHS trusts, I hope they're successful...
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Not in mine it doesn't :grump:.
So do I, and you will find many health professionals agreeing with you. Especially those working in mental health services...
But the argument distracts people away from the real disgrace, which is the state of the hospitals that the mentally ill have to stay in in the first place.
Not that NuLab ever gave a flying fuck about the mentally ill.
That's your university's policy though - universities aren't obliged by law to ban smoking in residences. Here you're allowed to smoke in your room (if you shut the door) but not in communal areas (kitchen, corridors, etc). Tbh though there''s nobody around to enforce the latter and people light up wherever they want in halls when they're drunk... :P
Our corridors regularly stink of weed lol, lots of people smoke cigs and weed in their rooms...We only have heat alarms (smoke doesn't set them off) so I don't really see how people can get caught... Tbh people who go outside to the woods (the first place the security people would look) are going to get caught...
If you don't have smoke detectors in your room I'd still smoke in it personally, it's your room and you're paying for it. Keep a bottle of oust and leave the windows open if you've got cleaners.
To be fair you choose to live there and can pop out for a cigarette whenever you feel like it. The same can't be said of the patients in question.
I completely support the smokers in this instance.
Rushed through after reading your anti smoking posts on here i reckon!
A mental hospital isn't an enclosed public space but because its NHS property it is treated as such. That's the problem but it should be fairly easy to amend it.
may be the future. certainly healthier. wonder if it'll catch on?
It is really wrong that people in prisons are still allowed to smoke when the mental health patients aren't
Difference being smoking is legal and cannabis and steroid use isn't.
ARTICLE 8
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
Does this mean that people are not allowed to even step outside to smoke?
When I was in a unit, we had a little garden, but you couldn't smoke inside.
The exemption within the human rights act should never apply to something like smoking - it's intended to cover hugely damaging exceptions - it's intended to allowing governments to still be allowed to stop people murdering each other not lighting a fag.
The treatment of people with mental health problems is already a disgrace in this country, this is just another example of people picking on the most vulnerable to push forward their own bigoted viewpoint.
from the article - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7265537.stm
Because prohibition is working so well for the other drugs, why not include alcohol as well?
Indeed - can you imagine what it would like to be a prison officer the day prisoners are forced to quit smoking?
It will be exactly the same for mental health workers.
Not most Jim, all...