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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No I like the diversion Jim. Again, I'd just say that that is a recognition of the demoralising potential of a certain practice, and its implimentation into orders. As for no evidence of it being anything other than spontaneous before recent years, no other than God himself was ordering it as far back as the Old Testament. Now obviously God himself didn't order it, the people who wrote the bible did, but it seems to be pretty conclusive that someone was being ordered to systematically rape women as a weapon of war as far back as biblical times.

    Anyway, yeah, back to the videos, which I haven't even watched yet.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the adverts seem to give the impression that it is a female victim and male agresor butwhat about all the men who get raped? shouldnt there be a version for that as well....im sure that it can happens after a night out drinking just the same
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sopycookie wrote: »
    the adverts seem to give the impression that it is a female victim and male agresor butwhat about all the men who get raped? shouldnt there be a version for that as well....im sure that it can happens after a night out drinking just the same

    There should definitely be a male version. There's fuck-all chance of seeing one though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not denying there are male rapes, but is there really such a high incidence as female/male rapes? One issue at a time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And the adverts are tying to change men's atitudes towards rape aren't they? Bearing that in mind, no matter the gender of the person being raped it is undoubtedly men that form the vast majority of rapists, especially when dealing with strangers or people on a night out.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sopycookie wrote: »
    the adverts seem to give the impression that it is a female victim and male agresor butwhat about all the men who get raped? shouldnt there be a version for that as well....im sure that it can happens after a night out drinking just the same
    All the men? Only 22% of sexual violence cases are men. I reckon that the more resources dedicated to combating sexual violence against women the better. This isn't to belittle sexual violence against men, but it's not exactly as if a guy walks down a dark alley thinking 'shit, I might get raped here'. And if they do get raped, who's raping them? Typically men. In addition, I agree with those who say that we need to change men's attitudes towards rape. If we can do that, I believe that's half (if not most) of the battle won.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    TheKingOfGlasgow wrote: »
    All the men? Only 22% of sexual violence cases are men.

    Does that include child abuse cases? Because 22% for adults seems quite high to me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    CptCoatHanger wrote: »
    There should definitely be a male version. There's fuck-all chance of seeing one though.

    I wonder what the stats are for successful rape convictions against men who rape other men?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The following was taken from a British police officer, taken from supervisors notes (unclear if the supervisors were the same person)

    1. Incident:
    Caller reporting her 17-year-old daughter was raped last night by two named offenders after going out drinking at her local pub. Daughter is very distressed and sore.
    Update from supervisor:
    Officers to attend and establish the following:
    1. Is the daughter making an allegation?
    2. Names and descriptions of alleged offenders.
    3. How much alcohol was consumed?
    4. If allegation is being made, locate scene.
    5. Will the victim attend court?
    6. If allegation could be true, will she consent to a medical?

    2. Incident:
    Caller reporting her 18-year-old son was raped last night by a male known to him, following a party at his house. Son is in pain and upset.
    Update from supervisor:
    Officers to attend and establish the following:
    1. Locate the crime scene.
    2. Arrange medical examination and take victim to rape suite.
    3. Name/description of offender.
    4. Preserve forensic evidence, seize clothing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm With Stupid wrote: »
    Does that include child abuse cases? Because 22% for adults seems quite high to me.
    I don't believe it includes child abuse, although I haven't read the article in depth.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,284 Skive's The Limit
    byny wrote: »
    You are basically suggesting that if a woman puts herself in an unsafe situation, dresses in a certain way, or has a few drinks then that can be a reason why she was raped?

    No the reason will always be the rapist sick actions.

    You can't deny however that there are things women can do to lessen the chances of rape. Of course in a perfect world a woman shouldn't have to take precautions, but this is not a perfect world. Until it is I don't think thee protective measures should be ignored.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote: »
    You can't deny however that there are things women can do to lessen the chances of rape. Of course in a perfect world a woman shouldn't have to take precautions, but this is not a perfect world. Until it is I don't think thee protective measures should be ignored.

    Exactly. I shouldn't leave my car unlocked with the keys in it, but it certainly shouldn't affect the sentence anyone gets for stealing it. Someone got done for stealing at my work before I started here, and his defence essentially revolved around the fact that it was so easy. Needless to say he got found guilty. But the "precautions" a woman should take to avoid rape seem to have become a legitimate defence for the accused at the moment, which is ridiculous. Advise people about safety, but the second it's mentioned in the courtroom, they've crossed a line.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    Men have the subconscious desire to rape? Well, that's a new one.
    Some men do (sorry, I didn't mean all men, I worded that completely wrong and rushed it because I had to be in work), but don't do it for fear of being caught. If it was so rare, then we wouldn't have rape pornography or fetishes.
    It depends on the circumstance. I would guess a lot of child abuse and domestic violence occurs when alcohol again, is involved. So yes, you could say that it does not mitigate the person's responsibility but alcohol plays it's part. The difference however being that rape is probably more spontaneous rather than the systems of abuse in both of your examples.
    No, I think that rape is as much about the system as it is about the individual.
    Are you just making this up as you go along?
    Take a look at the media and at raunch culture. Take a look at how many women starve themselves, go under the knife and experience self-esteem problems because they do not look like the heteronormative idea of what is attractive and "sexy". Look at sexualised women on TV, look at how many anti-aging cream adverts there are, in fact look at how advertising is geared towards being 'sexy'.

    Do I believe our culture objectifies women? Yes I do. That doesn't mean every man objectifies women, or that women are not objectified in other cultures differently. But it exists and it's very real.
    It's not justified in any way shape or form but the simple fact remains if you are less responsible for yourself than you are more likely to be a victim. Same with burglary. If you leave your windows open you're more likely to get burgled. You could use the same argument. Except, it doesn't have the punchy 'Let's stop making women adapt to a men's world' sound bite. I think empathy and culture are needed, along with respect. They go hand in hand.
    At the end of the day, a woman should be able to walk the streets at any time of the day, wearing what she wants. It shouldn't be her responsibility to avoid being raped like it's some sort of quasi-punishment for not defending herself against such a crime. The police should be taking rape more seriously, women should not be afraid to go to the police and the streets should be SAFE for women.
    I find it offensive you feel rape is what constitutes a 'man's world' or what men would have in their ideal world.
    Well I'm sure many women get sick of having to take taxis home, get sick of being whistled at, or being called 'butch' as if it's a bad thing when they decide not to be girly.
    I don't believe we live in a 'man's world', although that's a different argument altogether and we shouldn't change the debate about rape adverts into the oh so typical 'men vs. women' debate.
    It's no more about women vs. men than the civil rights movement was about black people vs. white. Just because one talks about patriarchy, female stereotyping, rape or women's rights does not mean they're attacking men.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Flashman's Ghost wrote: »
    I'm not convinced all men are potential rapists, but I do think many men who would never think about dragging a woman of the street at knife point, would rape a woman who had 'led them on', especially whilst drunk (both the man and woman). The problem is that many of these men just wouldn't accept that they were rapists (she wanted it really... she was a prick tease... you can't go half way and then say stop).

    I agree. And then of course, it's her fault, or at least partially her fault.

    No means no.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Pornography doesn't cause rape!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    byny wrote: »
    Pornography doesn't cause rape!

    No it doesn't... But the fact that rape pornography exists is disturbing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    J wrote: »
    Unless it's rape pornography of course! I was just snooping around someones computer and you should see the ammount of stuff he had on there. Child porn, rape, bestiality you name it. Well, I've reported him now. And the good thing is I have his administrator password to check on his "progress"

    no - seriously I still don't think even rape pornography causes rape.

    Some rapists may look at porn which depicts rape, but that's not the reason they decide to rape someone.
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