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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    Loads of people on here talk about what drugs they've taken, what they like/not, their experiences of taking drugs.. surely through them the Police can find out who the dealers are??

    Anyway, what you guys are saying about how Police don't care less about individual users, just the dealers who are behind it is like saying they shouldn't care about paedophiles who view child porn, just the people providing the material in the first place...

    you can't really compare taking the odd pill to a pedophile looking at child porn...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    Loads of people on here talk about what drugs they've taken, what they like/not, their experiences of taking drugs.. surely through them the Police can find out who the dealers are??

    Anyway, what you guys are saying about how Police don't care less about individual users, just the dealers who are behind it is like saying they shouldn't care about paedophiles who view child porn, just the people providing the material in the first place...

    Wow, thanks for comparing me to a paedophile.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    Loads of people on here talk about what drugs they've taken, what they like/not, their experiences of taking drugs.. surely through them the Police can find out who the dealers are??

    Anyway, what you guys are saying about how Police don't care less about individual users, just the dealers who are behind it is like saying they shouldn't care about paedophiles who view child porn, just the people providing the material in the first place...

    Don't be such a prick.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think you just have to start accepting the fact that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people do drugs. A LOT of people smoke pot for example and it is viewed now by a lot of people as a totally acceptable thing. The police have a lot bigger things to worry about than some matey on the internet asking how many pills he should take or what a bad come down he had, if anything it does them a favour cause atleast people are doing them safely. People dieing on ecstasy causes the police a lot more hassle than people having a good time on it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Loads of people on here talk about what drugs they've taken, what they like/not, their experiences of taking drugs.. surely through them the Police can find out who the dealers are??


    Yeah, only if they decide to tell them who their dealer is. Besides as has already been said the police do not have time to be invetigating every mention of drugs on a public message board.

    Anyway, what you guys are saying about how Police don't care less about individual users, just the dealers who are behind it is like saying they shouldn't care about paedophiles who view child porn, just the people providing the material in the first place...


    Again it about how much effort the police would have to go to in order to catch someone with a spliff or couple of pills. Their are hundereds of thousands of people in the UK who take drugs, the police have not got the time or resources to follow up all these cases. Therefore they must use their limited resources on the projects which will yield the best results.

    If you were ever to go out on duty with a police officer you would soon realise they have so many more important things to do, than investigate hearsay (not the band) and rumours on a message board.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    swampgirl wrote: »
    you can't really compare taking the odd pill to a pedophile looking at child porn...
    It's exactly the same concept of there being (a) users fulfilling personal pleasures and (b) dealers/providers. Sure child porn's much more serious than drug use, though (a) in both cases the user isn't directly harming anyone else and (b) drug use causes a lot more deaths than child porn does anyway. Sorry really not trying to be provokative/controversial but think it's odd nobody apprantly cares about people taking drugs when (a) these are the people who you can get info about the dealers on and (b) if not for them there'd be no business/industry.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calvin wrote: »
    If you were ever to go out on duty with a police officer you would soon realise they have so many more important things to do, than investigate hearsay (not the band) and rumours on a message board.
    Heh, I've seen some utterly ridiculous uses of police resources in my time. At uni a mate of mine had 6 police officers arrest him for calling a horse 'gay' (Story here). In Leicester Square last night I saw a serious streetfight, 3 policemen 5m away instead focussing their efforts on getting a homeless man to stop playing his mouthorgan.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    surely through them the Police can find out who the dealers are??

    No they can't.
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    Anyway, what you guys are saying about how Police don't care less about individual users, just the dealers who are behind it is like saying they shouldn't care about paedophiles who view child porn, just the people providing the material in the first place... [/FONT]

    Yeh cause drug taking and paedophilia are comparable. For an alledged intellect you are quite clueless.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    It's exactly the same concept of there being (a) users fulfilling personal pleasures and (b) dealers/providers. Sure child porn's much more serious than drug use, though (a) in both cases the user isn't directly harming anyone else and (b) drug use causes a lot more deaths than child porn does anyway. Sorry really not trying to be provokative/controversial but think it's odd nobody apprantly cares about people taking drugs when (a) these are the people who you can get info about the dealers on and (b) if not for them there'd be no business/industry.

    You've got to be taking the piss, surely ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    (a) these are the people who you can get info about the dealers on and (b) if not for them there'd be no business/industry.

    Again, they don't have the resources to check out everything, and if they do, people can just say, i was making stuff up/talking shit, how are they going to prove that they aren't?
    Also a lot of people i know just buy them off of randoms in clubs, they don't have any clue who they are, let alone how to track them down.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DC85 wrote: »
    You've got to be taking the piss, surely ?

    Ricardo is disappointing me hugely with this thread.

    You seem to be missing the point. People ENJOY taking drugs so why would they shop the small time dealers that supply them, forcing them to go deeper into the 'underworld' to get what they want?

    The similarities you draw between child porn and drugs are faintly ridiculous. I understand the point you are trying to make, but the two are just not even on the same level.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    It's exactly the same concept of there being (a) users fulfilling personal pleasures and (b) dealers/providers. Sure child porn's much more serious than drug use, though (a) in both cases the user isn't directly harming anyone else and (b) drug use causes a lot more deaths than child porn does anyway. Sorry really not trying to be provokative/controversial but think it's odd nobody apprantly cares about people taking drugs when (a) these are the people who you can get info about the dealers on and (b) if not for them there'd be no business/industry.

    I'm flabbergasted. "users fulfilling personal pleasures". When people take drugs recreationally they do not harm anyone else! When someone watches child porn they are watching a child being sexually abused and raped! It's completley different and how can you not see that? Thousands of children are trafficked each year and sold into the sex trade and a lot of children are also abused by people they trust such as a family member. No the child might not die but they will be mentally and physically scarred and watching porn and being part of a paedophile ring only increases that!
    And not that many people die from recreational drug taking anyway, unlike drinking alcohol. And being able to discuss it on a forum such as this only helps people do it more safely.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    g_angel007 wrote: »
    You seem to be missing the point. People ENJOY taking drugs so why would they shop the small time dealers that supply them, forcing them to go deeper into the 'underworld' to get what they want?
    I meant Police using the "tell me who it is and you're let off, refuse to tell me and you're in trouble" stance.
    g_angel007 wrote: »
    The similarities you draw between child porn and drugs are faintly ridiculous. I understand the point you are trying to make, but the two are just not even on the same level.
    Look I know they're obviously two completely different kettle of fish, just it's the same concept of 'buyers' and 'sellers'.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well I guess the point is that we're not actually doing anything wrong. We're not dealing or showing photos of us taking drugs so there isn't anyhting the police can do.. I doubt anyway. It's not like they would have any evidence to take us in for questioning, we could deny it all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    I meant Police using the "tell me who it is and you're let off, refuse to tell me and you're in trouble" stance.

    Get in trouble for what? Have you read this thread? It's not illegal to talk about drugs and drug experiences. The police can't arrest you for saying you took drugs at a rave at the weekend.
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    Look I know they're obviously two completely different kettle of fish, just it's the same concept of 'buyers' and 'sellers'.[/FONT]

    Yes and it made you look like a cock.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ricardo R wrote: »
    I meant Police using the "tell me who it is and you're let off, refuse to tell me and you're in trouble" stance.

    Because nobody is in trouble...!
    Look I know they're obviously two completely different kettle of fish, just it's the same concept of 'buyers' and 'sellers'.

    Then it's the same as any business then, if you want to look at it this way. I think you need to drop this angle on it as it's void in my eyes. Comparing the two is just not fair. Child abuse is simply evil. Most drug use (recreational) doesn't harm anybody, nor exploit innocent people, especially children.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You ever think that it might be positive about drugs because most people do have a good time on drugs and do so safely without losing jobs, become addicts, stealing to fund their habits, and all the other bullshit scare stories you get outside of forums like this? It only seems pro-drugs because mainstream media is so anti-drugs. From what I've read of this forum, it's actually far more balanced, and people don't make moral judgements about drugs, merely discuss the factual realities of taking them, and their own experiences. I don't see how that constitutes being pro-drugs.

    Yeah, but just cause it's the polar opposite of the mainstream media doesn't mean that it's a balanced view. I'm not saying it isn't ever, but if a young person came on here and asked about taking eccys then they'd get a far more pro-drugs answer than they would if they posted in Anything Goes (where they'd get a lot more "Nah, never tried it and never want to try it" replies because it's a wider range of people and a better cross section)

    It's a fucking drugs forum, where most of the people on it take drugs, you're wrong if you don't think that creates pro-drug leanings.

    And people do make moral judgements, if somebody who's anti-drugs came on and didn't see the point in popping loads of pills every weekend then more often than not they get the whole "but you drink alcohol, coffee and take paracetemols" line. Or even better "come back when you've tried it".

    I know this forum is reall useful and stuff and it's good to share experiences (noticed nobody seems to want to read the whole of my posts in this thread :rolleyes:) but sometimes people get so uppity when they hear something they don't like about recerational drugs when they think they're being really liberal about it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lipsy wrote: »
    I'm flabbergasted. "users fulfilling personal pleasures". When people take drugs recreationally they do not harm anyone else! When someone watches child porn they are watching a child being sexually abused and raped! It's completley different and how can you not see that? Thousands of children are trafficked each year and sold into the sex trade and a lot of children are also abused by people they trust such as a family member. No the child might not die but they will be mentally and physically scarred and watching porn and being part of a paedophile ring only increases that!
    The point I was trying to make was when someone downloads a vid for example, they're not directly causing harm to anyone else, the kid in the video has already been abused and whether one extra person downloads it or not doesn't change anything. That said though I suppose greater demand en masse will cause more abuse to happen, fair enough.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bri-namite wrote: »
    And people do make moral judgements, if somebody who's anti-drugs came on and didn't see the point in popping loads of pills every weekend then more often than not they get the whole "but you drink alcohol, coffee and take paracetemols" line. Or even better "come back when you've tried it".

    You may well see some people saying that, most of us give proper reasons why people choose to take drugs. And it's not a case of people "not seeing the point" of taking E's, it's people just spouting the same shit you read in the papers week in, week out and it annoys people.
    Bri-namite wrote: »
    but sometimes people get so uppity when they hear something they don't like about recerational drugs when they think they're being really liberal about it.
    :confused:

    Now I know you don't read this board.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bri-namite wrote: »
    Yeah, but just cause it's the polar opposite of the mainstream media doesn't mean that it's a balanced view. I'm not saying it isn't ever, but if a young person came on here and asked about taking eccys then they'd get a far more pro-drugs answer than they would if they posted in Anything Goes (where they'd get a lot more "Nah, never tried it and never want to try it" replies because it's a wider range of people and a better cross section)
    Yeah but that's because they have come specifically to this site in order to ask about drugs because they are thinking about taking them. So we offer them advice on how to make their first time safe. It's about harm reduction, they've probably already made the decision that they want to take them. If they wanted a "balanced view" on it then all they would need to do is listen to what their teachers have told them, their parents, the government, the media, television programmes! Take it out of the context of this website and drugs don't have a balanced view at all! It's mostly negative!
    And people do make moral judgements, if somebody who's anti-drugs came on and didn't see the point in popping loads of pills every weekend then more often than not they get the whole "but you drink alcohol, coffee and take paracetemols" line. Or even better "come back when you've tried it"...but sometimes people get so uppity when they hear something they don't like about recerational drugs when they think they're being really liberal about it.
    Well that's because alcohol is a drug and quite a dangerous one so it is a very valid point - I don't see why we shouldn't say that. Also sometimes people do get angry and I know which thread you're referring to here because 1 or 2 posters did annoy me a bit in that but when you are demonised by a lot of society for taking drugs (certainly my family, work colleagues and some of my friends can never find out I do drugs) then it can be very frustrating and upsetting sometimes, especially with the hypocrisy of it all. Generally posters on this board try to educate though.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    this subform is legal because taking drugs makes us all really fucking cool :cool:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    this subform is legal because taking drugs makes us all really fucking cool :cool:

    :lol:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    Now I know you don't read this board.

    Remember when that girl did that rant a few months back about drug users being stupid?

    She could've worded it a bit better, but people absolutely lost the plot with her. People were all "Fuck off you bitch" and "Come back when you've tried it" and stuff, and there were was a breathtaking level of intolerance when somebody came on and posted a different view to the general opinion on here. Is that not what you guys stand against, people just ignoring anything other than their own agenda?

    lipsy - I'm not saying people aren't trying to educate. I do hold my hands up and admit I'm not really that in depth a reader of this board. But it is easy to lose sight of the fact that there's two sides to the coin (this
    does sometimes happen on here, see above), and it's always best to be mindful of it when discussing stuff. I've tried my absolute hardest to try and make that sound as non-patronising as I can.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lipsy wrote: »
    Yeah but that's because they have come specifically to this site in order to ask about drugs because they are thinking about taking them. So we offer them advice on how to make their first time safe. It's about harm reduction, they've probably already made the decision that they want to take them. If they wanted a "balanced view" on it then all they would need to do is listen to what their teachers have told them, their parents, the government, the media, television programmes! Take it out of the context of this website and drugs don't have a balanced view at all! It's mostly negative!

    Which is pretty much the point really - this forum, and the drugs advice on this website do provide a useful service in providing information to people considering using drugs, or who have questions about their drug use. In the same way as the entire government campaign for their service Frank was based on saying it's preferctly legal to talk about the issues around drugs.

    This board is obviously the difficult one, and the way some users talk about drugs does always need looking at and checking. But someone talking online about their drug use isn't illegal, and isn't the same thing as bragging about it. Those users who have posted in the past images of drug use have been warned or banned, and the now pretty irregular retards who try to sell drugs through posts are always banned immediately - since that would risk the entire future of our charity.

    However I'm obviously going to close this thread, since when it starts with essentially 'you're all criminals' and pretty much ends up with one users getting to imply there is ANYTHING similar between drug use and the videoing of the rape of child then it just looks like time to stop feeding the troll.
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