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Apartheid arrives in Britain
BillieTheBot
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I thought I had seen it all in politics. But I was clearly wrong. For I had never witnessed a 'Labour' government minister advocating prioritising "natives" over dirty foreigners when allocating affordable housing.
And Margaret Hodge has done just that.
Never mind that the move is quite probably illegal as well as morally repugnant. All these years of lies, smearing and thinly-veiled racism by the right wing press as well as the bullshit the BNP is allowed to peddle have had an effect on people who should know better.
What next? Denying hospital treatment to Johnny Foreigner until all good British people are seen? :rolleyes:
And Margaret Hodge has done just that.
Never mind that the move is quite probably illegal as well as morally repugnant. All these years of lies, smearing and thinly-veiled racism by the right wing press as well as the bullshit the BNP is allowed to peddle have had an effect on people who should know better.
What next? Denying hospital treatment to Johnny Foreigner until all good British people are seen? :rolleyes:
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I'd quite like a council place but know that as a single person who works, I pretty much have no chance of having one. I think there should be more affordable/social housing for all sorts of people.
In places such as London that basically means that only people with real deprivation issues are likely to get a house. In places up North with plenty of social housing stock empty, its generally easier (though of course popular houses and areas might have a waiting list)
There is a shortage of social and private housing though. I dont think it should be allocated according to ethnic background or length of time spent in the UK though. The way it already is allocated - by need and then by length of time waiting - is fair enough. Unless she would prefer single british people to have homes over a roma family (I believe that was one of the groups she was pointing the finger at on telly)
until then im not saying as much as to say she does technically want apartheid, noone has more rights in this country to apply based on their nationality, but as long as they are legitimately here and their place in the queue is determined by need not want
One of the main reasons the BNP are so successful in this regard is that a lot of people in this group don't feel they have a voice, or access to information about what is actually going on, I would argue.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/home+office+payout+to+uk+citizens/524347
As for the homes issue, surely the better approach would be to just build or renovate more housing?
It is unobjectionable in my view. They aren't seeking our "luxury" Bellview estates, they are happy to have any home... unlike your average council-house-seeker who is a UK citizen. I feel ill when confronted with the idea that they are being begrudged those hovels that no one else actually wants. Oh please.
Which rules out 16/17 y-o and the long-term unemployed I guess...
How about we allocate housing on the basis of need?
So we should sell off all the government social housing and wait till charities pick up the slack?
With a greenfield site - that is, something that is forest / grassland or 'undeveloped' (agriculture counts as a development), it is the law to leave these undeveloped, because there has to be so much non developed land for developed land.
With a brownfield site, you can obtain lanning permission subject to the councils permission and loads of other legal loopholes to jump through, but even then it is more costly than it once was. Rather than knock a dilapidated building down, compress the earth, lay some hardcore on top and use that as your foundation, you now have to remove every last inch of the rubble and lay completely new foundations. This increases the cost substantially.
Not to mention the increase in the price of skilled labour - through a work agency I signed up for manual labour jobs get paid at £7-£8 an hour. When I was in there, there were plenty of Polish migrants signing up as they've got plenty of experience in this field. These days often (at least in my family, and others I know) going into something like carpenting etc. would be seen as not filling my potential.
On top of that, houses now need to be built to not only the usual safety standards, but also environmental standards. What is the carbon footprint of the house? At the end of the day it all costs money, which is why in the 12 or so years I've lived where I have, in the past 5 years only two new very small but expensive housing developments have gone up. Whereas previously There would be large developments with 100+ houses all nicely priced.
And with the uncertainty in the housing market at the moment, its not surprising most in the industry are opting either to do easy jobs for clients (extensions etc.) or getting contracts, rather than building houses from scratch.
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Klintock?
Basing allocation on length of wait AND need is a much fairer way of doing it.
thats current system you are put in a banding according to need ie families 1st, and with time you can move up
and of the economic migrants ie mainly EU people, i believe since january there have only 300 people put into 'social' housing ie housing association or council
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6694191.stm
Charming isnt it.:yeees:
"But he added that she should also speak about the impact of immigration on health, education and unemployment"
I hate Nick Griffin so much.
1st one is a black cab driver, who owns a a brand new flatscreen TV with new leather sofas paying £160/week in private renting, the only reason they want council is cause it's cheaper than that.......
2nd is a family where the 23 year old son cant afford to move out for the sake of his indepenence, but there simply isnt enough housing as the government hasnt built allowed more council homes to be built whilst lowering the stock from right to buy........
3rd is a family with 5 children, who have been given a 3 bedroom house, honestly expecintg something bigger...
Housing should be allocated according to need, and for the most part it already is. Most people who whinge are the ones who want a council house, but only a brand new one, and only one in the best area.