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I guess that wouldn't be you, then?
So you 'don't know' XXXX's views. Does your next sentence amount to 'yes', in answer to the question; Do you think that dark-skinned Africans, say, and pale-skinned Europeans are separate races?
Just to humour you, I Googled 'race of dogs'. I even added 'biologist'. Try it yourself, and see how many times a particular breed is described as a 'race'...
This thread is on page 2.
Don't take it too personally if I continue to think that you're talking hooey. We'll just agree to disagree...
MOK - Quiet, you! :grump:
I'm not talking about an 'end product' in the wider evolutionary sense - I used the term in reference to the completion of the process which makes for a race - which means, as already stated, for a sub-group to become stabilised and which breeds true. That is what I mean by the 'end product'.
Having no understanding of what you're talking about, again you miss the point.
Obviously, given that I've been arguing for the existence of race since page 1.
Add 'breed' instead of 'biologist'.
Yeah, I'm so offended.
Try "races of dog" and "breed".
Or better still, look up wiki for a definition of 'breed' and then check out the definition for 'subspecies'. You'll find 'breed' equated with 'subspecies' and 'subspecies' in turn equated with 'race'.
And if wiki isn't authoritative for you...i'm sure the E. Britannica will suffice.
I tried. And failed ?
I`ll try again.
May I suggest that you( and indeed, everyone viewing this thread) read all the posts by the poster XXXX ?
I have found them to be erudite and informative.
Furthermore, as one who is alleged to "only pick other posts to pieces", I tried that very technique with those said posts, and was found wanting.
My suspicion is that those who have challenged XXXX`s posts haven`t read was has actually been said ( or perhaps "processed" the words to suit their map of the world).
I've told you where to find the proof. If you want to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist, that's up to you. Rather infantile for a 40 year old though, I must say.
You can equate your arse with your elbow if you do it in steps, but the rest of us will still have no problem knowing the difference. And you can state that of course there is a Doberman race, if you choose to believe the steps you had to take were reasonable, but you still come up short of biologists who agree with your conclusion, and try to shift the goalposts instead.
Why do you continue to obsess over a point you haven't managed to persuade anyone of? Have you even bothered to participate in another thread since you fixated on this?
Shifting the goalposts? Don't think so.
Since you're too lazy/obtuse here the first search result of "race" and "breed"...
Race defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as:
5. Biology.
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
And by the Houghton Mifflin medical dictionary as:
3. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
All of which can be found on http://www.answers.com/topic/race-1
If it's beyond you to look up a definition and yet you still carry on arguing, what do you expect?
And yeah, about 3.
ETA: also check out Darwin in Origin of the Species - http://charles-darwin.classic-literature.co.uk/on-the-origin-of-species/ebook-page-15.asp
Christ, I know I'm bad for arguing a point but damn fellas, give it a rest willya?
I 'agreed to disagree' a few posts back. I'm perfectly happy for Spliffie to go through life referring to dog breeds as races, and I'll be boringly conformist and stick with the vast majority of humanity instead. I don't even need to know why it was so important for him to take up cudgels on behalf of a poster who hasn't been back since. If no-one wants to answer my question to XXXX, that's cool...