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Am I a twat?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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Well somebody very close to me is in the shit and needs money (but I know they can give it back)... Only London is so expensive and my savings are going (I'm £300 overdrawn when I shouldn't be, my bank won't extend my other overdaft).

Basically I txt the guy, I need the money but I don't want to ruin his life if he can't afford rent. He's offered to give it me in cash when he gets his loan through but I don't want him to get hurt.

Am I being a horrible selfish person?
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry Namaste, I think I'm losing it a bit... so are you lending it him or not?

    If you are... then tread carefully. Don't feel obliged to! It's your money and at the end of the day if you can afford to lend it to people that's fine, but you come first!

    If you aren't... same answer. Your bank balance is -£300, so you just can't afford to lend him the dosh. Nothing horrible or selfish about that at all :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    its the same guy who fucked you over last time???


    Tell him to go fuck himself.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    One rule in life I learned the (very) hard way... don't lend what you can't afford to lose. You're allowed to say sorry, but no, I can't.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote: »
    One rule in life I learned the (very) hard way... don't lend what you can't afford to lose.

    That's very true. If you could take the money out of your pocket/account/kincker draw, throw it away and be OK with that then lend him the money, if not don't. Don't be sorry because you can't lend someone some money, however much they need it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i didnt get the first message properly earlier.
    I think youre well within your rights to demand it back. Hes had plenty of time. Its not his money, its yours. If he was a real friend, he would have given it back ages ago so dont shed any tears over his financial circumstances when hes not giving a shit about yours.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh is it the same guy from before who still owes Nameste money ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't see why you are a twat for not giving your friend some money because you can't afford it. Sometimes you have to put yourself first. Better off only him having money problems than the both of you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    RubberSkin wrote: »
    That's very true. If you could take the money out of your pocket/account/kincker draw, throw it away and be OK with that then lend him the money, if not don't. Don't be sorry because you can't lend someone some money, however much they need it.

    :yes: I only lend money to people I know who will give back to me and only if I can afford to go without that money for a week or so.
    I don't see why you are a twat for not giving your friend some money because you can't afford it.

    Agreed.

    TBH, if it was only a tiny amount like 20p then I personally wouldn't be that botyhered if it wasn't given back to me, but if it was quite alot then I would be bothered about it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    RubberSkin wrote: »
    Oh is it the same guy from before who still owes Nameste money ?

    No, she's saying that she's been taken for a mug before so now she's wary of going down the same route again with someone else. And I don't blame her.

    Nameste, it sounds like you REALLY can't afford it. Whilst it's commendable to help out other people, you don't have to sacrifice your own interests completely to do so. It's ok if you can't help.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote: »
    No, she's saying that she's been taken for a mug before so now she's wary of going down the same route again with someone else.

    Ah right. Got it now.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dude, if you can't afford it, then don't do it, or offer less. What's important to them might not be as important as how you would cope if you lend money you can't afford. If you can do it without worrying too much and think when the money comes back to you it'll be more and will help go for it, but otherwise don't be too concerned, I'm sure they'll understand. Don't worry about the same thing happening that happened to you with the other person though, I know this wouldn't happen with that person....but you already know that.

    And just for the record, when my inheritence comes through in October if you're having any problems, then all you need to do is ask, you know I trust you'll pay it back when you can. :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Miffy wrote: »
    No, she's saying that she's been taken for a mug before so now she's wary of going down the same route again with someone else. And I don't blame her.

    Nameste, it sounds like you REALLY can't afford it. Whilst it's commendable to help out other people, you don't have to sacrifice your own interests completely to do so. It's ok if you can't help.

    :yes: Spot on. Don't feel bad about it, sometimes you can't afford to help, don't get yourself into problems by feeling obliged.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    RubberSkin wrote: »
    Oh is it the same guy from before who still owes Nameste money ?

    No it isn't.

    It's a family member who will be able to pay it back...

    But the guy who fucked me over, I've told him the situation and he's offered it me in cash on Thursday when we both get our loans (so I'll have my loan by then). Then I don't want to see him again because he's done the lowest thing you could ever do to a mate.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i didnt get the first message properly earlier.
    I think youre well within your rights to demand it back. Hes had plenty of time. Its not his money, its yours. If he was a real friend, he would have given it back ages ago so dont shed any tears over his financial circumstances when hes not giving a shit about yours.

    I guess... Apparently his parents have given him a huge wad of cash and he's always out, even more than I canafford to go out. I don't think he's as hard up as he makes out he is.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fuck him, it's his fault he got himself into this mess and it's up to him to get him out.

    I lend fivers and tenners to my mates all the time but I'd never give them loads of cash unless there was some really good excuse, and going out all the time in one of the most expensive cities in the world just doesn't cut it for me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    Fuck him, it's his fault he got himself into this mess and it's up to him to get him out.

    I lend fivers and tenners to my mates all the time but I'd never give them loads of cash unless there was some really good excuse, and going out all the time in one of the most expensive cities in the world just doesn't cut it for me.

    What bollocks, I'm not in this situation because I go out all the time, I haven't been out for well over three months, I'm basically homeless and being pressured for money I can't afford to give on a weekly basis by the guy who I'm staying with, who originally said he'd help me out as a mate rent free. It has nothing to do with going out too much mate.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm confused. Is Namaste talking about Chaos then?! :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you cant afford to give that amount (or even a smaller amount), even when your loan comes through, then dont feel bad about saying no.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Namaste wrote: »
    and he's always out, even more than I canafford to go out.

    .
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    .
    This thread is about chaos - the other one was about someone different.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Franki wrote: »
    This thread is about chaos - the other one was about someone different.

    Well apologies then to Chaos. :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So why is the other thread quoted then? I don't get it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lacy wrote: »
    So why is the other thread quoted then? I don't get it.
    Because I think that's why she's so short of money.

    (Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Franki wrote: »
    Because I think that's why she's so short of money.

    (Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone).

    No that right. Shes lent money to someone else and not got it back yet, so shes short of money and she seems to be a bit hesitent to lend any high amounts of money out again.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No that right. Shes lent money to someone else and not got it back yet, so shes short of money and she seems to be a bit hesitent to lend any high amounts of money out again.

    Person X in the other thread is the one who I need the money back from, the other person was my brother who needs the money.

    Person X is the obne who goes out all the time.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Franki wrote: »
    This thread is about chaos - the other one was about someone different.

    i thought it was about her brother?

    or is chaos her brother?

    :confused:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    well that was confusing
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Littleali wrote: »
    i thought it was about her brother?

    or is chaos her brother?

    :confused:
    Ok... Chaos is my brother.

    Now a "mate" (Mr X) embezzled charity money I gave him to "give to his parents" (poor poor hard up parents, so hard up they're off to Mexico soon!), that was £500. Then after we got back from the volunteer trip he admitted that he'd stolen it and he needed the amount again because he'd bought a ticket off another mate's Mum's credit card (and that made had to go to see their dad in Egypt).

    he was crying and shit and because I know what it's like to be hard up, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. He said I'd get the money back asap... It is April and I still haven't.

    He's out more often than I am though, I'm sorry... But when you owe money you don't go out in to London, you save it and give it back. I don't give a shit what he thinks he should do, if I were in his position as somebody who was so low as to steal off a mate then I would work three jobs to get it back.

    Anyway, my brother is in the shit and needs the cash, but I can't give it until that thief gives me the money back.

    Wha I was asking is that if he gets in the shit financially, is it my fault?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    course its not your fault

    your family, you should help out when and if you can

    but if you cant, they should understand that you cant and respect that

    by the sounds of it, the money you give your brother will only help him short term, £300 will help FOR now, but not in the long run, what is he gonna do next time he needs money? i dont mean that in a harsh way, but something needs to be sorted out long term, £300 doesnt go very far

    horrid situation :(

    good luck to both of ya
  • **helen****helen** Deactivated Posts: 9,235 Supreme Poster
    Hey you two :)

    Namaste, it sounds like you really trust your brother, and I'm sure you can come to a sound arrangement if you can afford the money. However, Chaos' first posts also suggest he'll understand if you can't afford to help him. So try not to feel guilty if the guy from the past incident doesn't pull through. You're certainly not a selfish person.

    On a more serious note... Chaos, have you been to an advice agency about your housing situation? TheSite's article on homelessness has lots of useful links. Hope it helps.

    Take care.
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