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Isn't the "last will and testament" a little late in the day for some of the "next of kin" issues?
But you do want it sanctioned. By the same people. Giving you the same rights.
Tell me, how is that not the same as marriage?
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And yet, at the moment, unless they get married they can't.
That's why the proposals for changes are to be welcomed.
Yes, . . . and my view of "anarchism" doesn`t include pleading for "rights" either.
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Stating what "IS" succinctly.
Perhaps a mean thing to say, but it sure made me laugh out loud
Who are you proposing gives you those "rights" ?
The big difference is inheritance tax, with entering a civil partnership or marriage, you can't give your stuff to someone else without the taxman taking his share
Which, by it's very nature, requires the state to sanction the relationship.
Institution? Interesting choice of words.
It's a legal contract which makes the state take your view into account. It forces the state to take your view into account, rather than your approach where the state forces an status upon you.
BTW Still no-one has suggest at what point the state should "assume" cohabitation is taking place. What measure it would use...
The state is quite happy to assume cohabitation is taking place and will stop benefits because of it.
One that has been the more or less the universal definition of marriage since the very beginning of its existence.
I see it the other way around: it is the state that forces me to do something I don't want in order to get fundamental rights and responsibilities my partner and I should be getting regardless.
I'm sure something can be worked out. Like Big Gay says it already happens.
And what is the average timescale for that? From a man deciding he has met a girl he would like to marry, to them actually being married?
As i said it depends on the family and how well the couple know eachother, most of the time the couple have liked eachother for a while and get to know eachother as friends before he would approach his family.
Its not really an arranged marriage anymore, its just a lot more formalised than in the west.
I'm a bit confused. You must accept that a marriage can have absolutely no religious basis whatsoever? The only religious connotations of some marriages is that the word was once exclusively associated with a religious ceremony.
This is where the real difference is between us.
I see your approach as the state deciing when those rights should apply for your partner and not you. BY going into marriage/civil partnership it's then you decision and not theirs.
Of course they do, it's in their interests.
I was more keen to see if you had a measurement to define it as it's your concept...?
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It's more that it's seldom referred to as such around here except by someone who is anti-marriage. It's almost used as a insult to the concept...
Again, how is that then different to a marriage?
Wouldn`t you agree that there is a slight difference in the rescinding of such ?
A contract between two parties can be mutually rescinded, whereas a marriage contract cannot without the third party "permission".
Perhaps you can clarify what you mean by "permission", because to me it's part of the contract you enter - e.g. that grounds for cancelling are as follows: abuse, unreasonable behaviour or two years apart (for example)...
and that any cancellation of the contract must be recognised by the courts...
"Permission" = recognised by the courts.
It appears that if the two parties want to rescind the contract(by mutual consent) they are not "allowed" to without first getting the permission.
So it`s, in effect, a three way contract ?
This is fulfilled for,say, 18 months.
At this point, his wife has given birth to child no.10 and MoK decides he has all the bonhomie he needs in the family home and graciously explains the situation to me.
Being the sort of person I am,I wish him well and agree to rescind our contract( in writing, although trust me that wouldn`t be necessary).
There is no need to consult/ask permission etc. to a third party, even though (if the original contract was drawn up by MoK`s solicitor) I suspect there would have been a clause indicating that the said conract was subject to UK (and European) Law.
If that makes sense ?