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What makes you think the BNP has a monopoly on patriotism and flying the flag?
The only reason many decent people have been until recently been reluctant to fly the flag is that it had been hijacked by the fascist boys. Though luckily that has changed in the last few years.
Given many of the BNP members and officials' love for a certain former regime in Germany I'd say they are the least patriotic party in the whole of the land.
What the fuck are you doing supporting the BNP then?
Any examples of this outrage you can mention?
I haven't got time to read all that right now, but I'd just say that in future, it's probably not a good idea to link to a completely legitimate and legal website that happens to contain homosexual material, and then claim that the owner is a pervert (or whatever). If you're going to claim that someone is a "sicko" then it's best to link to evidence to support that, the first time round. The way you posted it, just made you look like you were objecting to the material on that particular website.
But just to ask, before I attempt to read through all that later tonight (probably not a good idea on my work computer), what exactly is that guy claimed as doing? Does he have any convictions?
Or is it just frustration?
Right there that just what im talking about again with the race card the bnp are not the NF or any other white power group we have jewish members in london who are trying to stand for fuck sake does that sound like a racist party. Yes they are a white only group but think befor you fly off at me there a black only groups and theres nothing rong with that only that when any other race say there proud of there race religion history whatever there seen as theres nothing rong with it but when white people do it then it MUST be racist.
I'd say positive discrimination was one thing you could argue. But here I am playing devil's advocate again.
The problem with the BNP, is that they appeal to people's sensitivities - lack of jobs, income, affordable housing, crime problems etc. etc. all very 'working class' issues, because generally they're the people who are worst off. But, they use these problems to push an alternative agenda, and that's where the propaganda is. Poverty in the UK isn't caused by immigrants, neither is crime. We had both before anyone foreign set foot on the UK.
People who are frustrated with the government will turn to the extreme parties who show a problem and a solution, they make it look like 1 + 1 = 2 and it's an achievable goal, if only someone with the right stuff was in power. But at the end of the day, the problem is not the real issue, it's just a focal point for people. People of other races have always been the easy target, they're easy to identify and can't defend themselves against claims that they're 'stealing everyones job'.
I think part of the reason why you'll find a lot of people don't like the BNP, is because they're just taking advantage of a situation and then throwing their own agenda onto it.
Yer they do appeal but if your living in these areas and feel like no1 is hearing you, what do you do just say nothing and put up with it? Think turning to the bnp and these people feel like someone is supporting them and trying to do something about it. Its better for them to turn to the bnp then go off and start rioting which i know has happend in the pass but look ever in Belfast see what problems they have had over the years there is abit more extream i know but things have calmed down and thats becuase they trying to do the fighting through politacal partys which is bettter then hand to hand fighting i think.
I dont get it, I understand the BNP and their beliefs, but im confused with this one
I have tried to read their literature etc (but its hard work) and doesnt make much sense. I dont understand what section of society they dont like? I thought the BNP was about wanting blacks out the country, but these guys are on about peadophiles, homosexuals, blacks
Just a sentence to explain would be great :thumb:
Some good points and your right.
I think alot of white people are starting to feel like there the a minority group and i do sometimes living in nottingham there is some racial tension. not just talkin about white peole but do see alot of asian and black people fighting each other but you all know about the problems that go off here and just gets worst.
Redwatch are a far right group that put picturs of as they see them left wing people are out to take down the far right and what there doing. As fot the bnp im saying no more like the egg and the chicken question be here till the of time.
Just so you are aware - you should realise that kind of statement, without any evidence at all linked to it (as for example Aladdin at least posted a link in relation to Nick Griffin) - comes very close to breaching the rules you agreed to on racism and the posting of hateful material.
To whit -
'Harassing, threatening, abusive, vulgar, obscene, defamatory, racist or otherwise unlawful posts are not permitted.'
Be aware that you can hold whatever you views you want, but you can not simply use this board to throw out wholly unsupported claims that incite hatred.
Its clear now
So you admit that it tends to be desperate circumstances that lead people to the BNP? Far right groups tend to be most popular when unemployment levels are high (example: France). And the reasoning behind it, tends to be a "foreigners taking our jobs" attitude. But this isn't the case in Britain at the moment, since unemployment is pretty low in general (and so is the support for the BNP). So in a climate where immigrants are actively aiding the economy in this country, all that's left is bullshit hysteria surrounding Muslim terrorists, the EU, "PC gone mad" or straightforward racism. I would say that anyone with genuine, well thought out concerns about such issues would be more likely to consider themselves a Conservative.
If you really have mixed race relatives or friends you wouldn't like to be made to leave the country I would advice checking your facts or even the BNP's own manifesto before you continue your support for them. Because you might as well be a turkey voting for Xmas.
Can kiss goodbye to christmas the way things are going off in the country in years to come.
To me it seems obvious that the BNP is a racist organisation, they may try to pretty it up by talking about voluntary repatriation, but you only need to look at its leadership and their backgrounds to realise that beneath the skin the BNP is still the same old neo-facist party that its predecessors were...
That said I don't think that everyone who votes for it is supporting the lynching of ethnic minorities (or event their repatriation). Most people support a party not on whats in their manifesto, but what they believe the party represents. And these may not be the same thing...
Like it or not many people don't see the BNP as racist. they see them as standing up for the little man against a liberal elite which doesn't represent their believes, its partially a belief that the BNP would be harder on immigration (not the same as throwing out the old chap black down the street or getting rid of the local newsagent), that certain groups get better treatment for housing and benefits (a pretty widespread belief albeit mostly wrong) and whilst UK unemployment isn't of French proportions many of the places where the BNP is strong do have much, much higher levels than the UK average.
I suspect many BNP voters are people who in previous years would have either been working class Tories or old Labour (old Labour as in Atlee not Benn).
Now the country has to make a choice - we either take account of these views and change policy (which may of course create other social problems) or we continue as is (and accept that there may be a hard core of people who are disillusioned enought to see that their only hope of change is to vote BNP).
... and there is the problem with BNP support. Ignorance, not just of the implications of their policies (like your cousins, why should they be treated differently to any other person who is no WASP), nor of the fact that the BNP is fundamentally racist.
Do you really know what they stand for, or are you blinded by the "fear" politics they use. Like this:
"Can kiss goodbye to christmas the way things are going off in the country in years to come."
Which is complete shite, quite frankly. You are talking about the biggest festival in the country.
Interesting that you should pick on that one though. The one where we celebrate the birth of a jewish arab...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008900.php
In the same way that kids aren't allowed to sing Ba Ba Black Sheep? And taxi drivers aren't allowed to fly the St. Georges cross in their car on St. George's Day? Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail and Sun.
The bnp wont get into power i dont think they will but there not going anywere any time soon there here and are getting bigger if you think there right or rong in what they say and the government will have to start to listen to them no mater how much they try to put them down and brand them as Bloody Nasty People.
Really not a good idea to link to a right wing propaganda site dude.
And as for the sentiment of Christmas not happening, firstly isn't Christianity the result of immigration into this country and secondly where you walking around with your eyes shut in December last year?
You link to a website called "Jihad Watch" and expect people to take it seriously? Come on, even the Daily Mail is more reputable than that. Equally, did they follow up the story, and find out what happened? Were there any council funded Christmas lights in Suffolk in Christmas 2005?
i dont believe any thing i read in any paper when it comes to politcs people can make there own mind up. The flags on cars when the football was on the police was stoping and handing out fines in nottingham as they was caursing a risk lol
St. Geroge's day does anyone do anything for it on here? I do and i dont what is there to do the goverment don't make an effort to make it a big day but i would't expect them too the St. Geroge flag wil always be seen as a football flag which is a real shame.