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Make immigrants work for their passport
BillieTheBot
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In an effort to look slightly more nasty and racist than the Tories Brown has suggested that before people get granted a passport they should be forced to do community service. Which apparently will engender them to their local community - and of course wont make them feel really exploited.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6399457.stm
So, should we get those sponging darkies digging ditches and picking up litter before they get a passport?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6399457.stm
So, should we get those sponging darkies digging ditches and picking up litter before they get a passport?
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How naive.......
I don't see anything that terrible in it. And who said it would be digging ditches and litter picking, I think you are confusing this idea with a community order that convicted criminals are given.
It depends what the work is really. I mean I have done volunteering and did not feel exploited.
But forcing people to do work in the community may not work, and if a person works full time it could be unworkable. I don't see anything wrong in it though, ideally we would ALL go and help out with some sort of community work.
How can you make it compulsory to volunteer? :crazyeyes
You didnt feel exploited because you werent being forced.
I totally agree with you, I do work for a couple of charities myself - but this is forced labour by another term.
thats all i have to say
Do you have any personal experience of this?
I know a couple of people who have applied for citizenship and it is not an easy process.
do remind me how hard you had to graft for your passport/citizenship? Oh yes, that's right, you were just born here- how grand!
Dont believe the hype, it isnt easy to get a passport and it isnt easy to get asylum either (Sweden regularly takes more asylum seekers than us, as does Germany).
Even marrying a Brit doesnt get you a full passport for four years.
That's not how it works.
You're going to have to excuse my ignorance, what on earth does that mean?
Although a lot of people working in the UK with poor English are probably here temporarily on a work visa so it probably wouldn't be of much use.
don't think forced community service is a good idea though. as much as it would aid in getting the jobs done that no one wants to do, it would just make the immigrants feel used.
To add that it was posted over the gates to Dachau
Actually it was Auchwitz but close enough.
In principle I don't see whats wrong with this proposal, as long as it was run properly and with dignity for the people involved. But then I think all citizens should perform a years national service.
But not the community service that Brown has in mind.
Browns idea is too much like the old slavery days. It is more likely to outcast them than to integrate them.
I think that people emigrating here should work or be in education to receive a passport but work that they have found (a paid job).
I think that community projects should be carried out in the areas. People that live there, no matter their colour or creed, should work together on something like a communal gardens. I found that some of the best bonds people make are by doing something together. This would make people feel a part of something and this then gives them much more incentive to integrate. This is a solution to the problem, for a while at least.
That`s a surprise.
In some of your previous posts you appear to be very passionate in your condemnation of slavery.
It used to be the case that immigrants could just pop down to their local college and get courses free, but the provision is being moved into forcing job seekers to have the courses instead.
So now, instead of people who want to do the course getting free access we are forcing those who dont want it to do the course.
Indeed, it's preposterous.
It's a laugh that they're harping on about intergration when they're cutting funding to ESOL and vocational/academic courses for foreign nationals (even to included EU citizens in some circumstances - where the sense in that is I'll never understand). I can't imagine much more alienating, exploitative and unhelpful than cutting provisions for immigrants to be intergrated socially and educationally whilst putting them out to work/"volunteer" to earn their citizenship.
I can only assume ignorance in terms of the person who made the comment about people being invited over here to have babies and having passports "handed out" to them. To say that that is estranged from the mark is a huge understatement.
I dont think people should be forced into CS.
However, I would agree if people aren't working they should be encouraged to participate in some community work- the level of benefits given out could reflect this.
Yeah, I am. But I don't consider something "slavery" if you are paid and given a choice as to what type of work you want to do and where you want to do it (by national service I don't mean the army).
You mean work for their JSA?
Slavery is an enforced condition to work where you receive no wage. That is not what was being suggested by Carlito.
Many countries have compulsary national service (some as many as 5 years) as it teaches discipline ways that schools and the like are lacking.
You get to choose which service.
I agree that it is a good idea but of all the services, which would you choose?
None. Work or go to prison is slavery.
And his proposal is stupid.
However, people applying for asylum or ones waiting for a decision on citizenship should indeed be offered work experience in local volunteer organizations.
If their citizenship is granted, it should be granted on the provision that the said people take english lessons (which should be provided for free as much as lessons on general culture and politics) and take a test at the end. If they pass and show conisderable effort to understand the UK as a country, then citizenship should be granted.
Not so.
What if the individual doesn't want to do any of the jobs?