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And to be fair, a lot of unis don't give a damn about the local community...
I don't think any do, when it comes down to it. They're quite happy to cream the cash from all the freshers, but don't pay a single penny towards the social damage a large transient population causes to the local community.
I blame the universities for most of the problems in university towns, and its hardly a surprise that town vs gown conflict is getting more prevalent.
But that's off topic now isn't it.
And I think sending university security round to deal with anti-social students is as much for the university's protection than community policing. They hardly want to be known as the 'anti-social university'.
When I say they don't care about the local community, it's some of the things that've already been talked about. E.g. driving up house prices.
But more generally, any benefits a local community gets from the university is ancilliary to direct benefits the university gets. Anything the university does is for it's own advancement, rather than the local community.
A massive influx of freshers every year is great business for the local bars and clubs. But try telling that to the local residents who are kept awake every friday and saturday night by baying students. The rubbish sweeps who have to clean the place up (I don't know about your university, but the amount of paper littering my uni during fresher's week is crazy). The police who have to deal with drunken students. And so forth.
P.S. Just had a look at Lboro uni website, and must say, it's got a pretty decent community page. Nice job.
Houses go for the price determined by supply and demand.
The highest bidder wins.
Inflated demand due to too much speculation causes price inflation.
Which is pretty much the definition of a free market. (except for the government intervention thing, but like has been pointed out, stamp duty isn't sufficient to dissuade investors from buying a second or third property)
With regards to students being antisocial, it makes no difference if these students are from out of town or not, even of all students stayed in their home town they would still go out, and those who would get drubk and cause trouble would do it in their own towen as much as another....
Having properties empty for half the year, as most student properties are, is a big problem for the local area- it makes it a ghetto. It isn't rocket science. It has little to do with the actual students, and everything to do with money-grabbing universities who are happy to take the cash from too many students without investing in the local area.
Having equilibrium supply does not mean having exactly the correct number of households for the number of people, it will nearly always mean having more houses than there are households, if there is this kind of slack then price inflation would not be such a problem.
Not sure what you are gibbering about universities, they provide a service: a higher education course, in exchange for fees, why on earth does this mean they should be providing housing and investing in the community (whatever that means)?
Should schools be providing housing? What about other major employers and providers of services?
*shrug*
Where there is money to be made, people put fairness last unfortunately.
And toadborg: the difference with universities is that most students travel away from home for part of the year for the precise purpose of studying. Most schools and most jobs you stay in a fixed location year round.
1 was just this guy who owned loads of big houses in leeds and rented them out to students. He was so lovely! He let us paint the walls and fixed anything that needed doing.
The other was a big company that probably owned half of all student houses in Leeds. If we ever wanted ANYTHING they would be round in a flash. "Hi, I was wondering if someone could come round to put some shelves up for me?" "Yeah sure we'll have someone round tomorrow". Free of course. They put a new kitchen floor in at the start of term and I didn't like where they had put the fridges back to. So they came back the next day and moved them hehe
Last one I had….well it takes a lot for me to really dislike someone, but he could see I’m a bit naïve and royally took the piss. He’d buy properties, do them up and re-sell them. Total screwjob too, he also had a Samurai sword in his room (he was a live In landlord) and he didn’t like me bringing people home after a night out, didn’t like me eating in my room so I’m so glad I’m out of there now.
Place I’m in now though, the landlord is sound. Really nice bloke, I’m paying a fair price for the flat and he’s really approachable if there’s a problem. Can’t say fairer than that.
That's a circular argument.
Circular and nonsensical argument.
That would be oversupply. Which is just as wasteful, just in different ways.
What are you wanking on about?
Universities bring in a large transient population. They should make arrangements to accomodate that large transient population without simply dumping them on the local community to deal with.
Your comparison with employment is completely spurious.
The problem is definitely BTL landlords inflating the market - what other reason is there for it? Seriously, I can't see one.
Our landlady is a pain in the arse, very unhelpful. I wouldn't say York is like a ghetto during the summer though, I think a lot of students stay during the summer anyway, and the houses people rent in seem to be quite spaced out among a few different areas. The place where I rent has a lot of students but far more local residents, and it's about as close to the uni as you can get.
You appear to have overlooked where all the money has come from.
Some might say that is irrelevant to this thread, but I`d suggest any reference to free markets is far more irrelevant.
A rise in incomes predominantly in the south east.
Excess demand causes inflation, no?
It doesn't have to be a big debate, I was simply stating why house prices were increasing, it's a perfectly acceptable albeit simple model, what's the issue?
The money.
From where does it come ?
(Or perhaps, in this case, I should ask from where does it appear)
Loving the stupid comments.
This is how shit capitalism is, unis should pay for accomodation for students and a whole load of other bollocks, 200% council tax on second properties blah blah blah
I could quote a hell of a lot of dumb comments, but ill be here all night.
People generally always will find ways of making money, whether it be residential buy2lets, cars, cucumber or cocaine...... There is little or fuck all you can do about it. Im astonished how many bitter people there are.
They next explosion expected in the next 10 years is going to be commercial buy2lets, will we then be discussing ..."nobody can afford to buy a shop these day" ? Bollocks.
People loose money in property as well, look at the early 1990s. Swings and roundabouts.
well that was a worthwhile post
lol
heheheh is that a mate of yours
Rather a weird comment don't you think? If you don't want to debate an issue it seems a bit pointless to have ago at other people debating on a forum that is about having a debate?
People aren't idiots just because you disagree with them, and they certainly aren't idiots just because they are actually prepared to explain what they think, rather than just insulting people.
schpank schpank
That made me lol so much.